They do try to keep Peter away from MJ in animated series at least like Ultimate Spider-Man which had a scene of them kissing and then being disgusted by it.
Not sure about Marvel's Spider-Man.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"That one actually is from the comics. MJ was carnage in the spider Gwen comics. Considering that Gwen was carnage in the original Ultimate comics. Kinda thought it was a mythology gag.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Cycling back, I just wish DC film and tv shows and stuff were freer.
Like, if DC editorial hated Wally but still allowed shows and such to let him shine if those shows wanted to.
Or, say, if they let us get a Tim Drake Robin movie with the all the 90’s-2000’s supporting cast that DC despises and/or has no interest in like Stephanie, Cassandra, etc. Going back to the thing about Bat Family rogues galleries, imo it would be dope to see Tim vs Ulysses in a film or tv show, without the inexplicable aging up Damien Darkh got.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 18th 2024 at 9:40:46 AM
I think the issue is most dc creators seem to not like Tim (Tom Taylor called him the boring one lol).
Him not having a niche is really imo the issue. Damien and Jason get to be edgy Robin. We'll dick is still their as straight laced Robin.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Tim is the detective Robin. The one closest to finding a normal life, the one who despite that life chose the superhero calling rather than being forced into it by tragedy. As a result, he’s the character who most fits the mix of realistic and fantastical concerns - a character type DC doesn’t have a lot of (though Marvel has in spades). Under some writers, he reads a lot like Marvel’s answer to Peter Parker.
Chuck Dixon has a lot of issues (like, a lot of issues) but he always understood what made Tim a distinctive and interesting part of the team.
Stuff like that always reminds me of people saying Superman is boring. He isn’t, but lesser writers already unwilling to pay attention to the character in the first place might think so.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 18th 2024 at 9:46:55 AM
All things I feel like the company is probably in a better position with Didio's firing.
Not saying it will be perfect but at least he won't be controlling adaptations to stifle specific characters he dislikes.
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Amusingly on the other side of the equation you have writers like Zdarsky who are Tim fans but instead of capturing his interesting quirks, they just make him beyond perfect especially at the expense of other Robin's. Which winds up making boring and annoying.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 18th 2024 at 9:43:52 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I think the writers for Batman adaptations just aren't interested on having 'normal' people in Batman stories, which is why Tim is sidelined in favor of Batfamily members who are more riddled with issues. Batwheels of all things would have been ideal for him since it had an actually functional Batfamily and Tim was the first Robin to actually name his bike the Redbird, and that one had the only well adjusted 'very young' Robin in recent adaptations.
DCEU: Dick as The Ghost Posthumous Character.
Teen Titans Go: Dick is a Butt-Monkey mess.
Gotham Knights game and Arkham saga: Tim, but taking more from his Post Identity Crisis self, and with little in common with the 'average Joe' Tim who had a biological dad.
DC Super Hero Girls, Harley Quinn show: Dick and Damian as unsympathetic brats.
DC Animated Universe: The focus is on Damian, who is Damian.
Brave and the Bold show: Tim is a no show, Damian is only a fanfic character.
DCAU: Jason but they call him Tim.
Young Justice show: I haven't watched past the first season but from what I hear it's like the situation with GK/Arkham but to a lesser degree.
Caped Crusader show: Batman is a lone act and while Robins to be cameo Tim isn't one of them.
Beware the Batman: Batman's sidekick is Katana, who has too many issues to be 'normal'.
Under the Red Hood sequel. Tim is in it, but we see too little of him.
The Batman (animated) is the most recent adaptation with a well adjusted Robin, and that is from the early 2000s and the setting demanded for it to be Dick.
Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Aug 18th 2024 at 3:07:38 PM
Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.We definitely need new writers foe the animated movies.
They especially keep reusing the "hero is actually a villain" twist too many damn times.
Hal Jordan, Mon-El, and even Martian Manhunter revealed to be evil in Green Lantern Beware My Power, Legion of Super-Heroes, and Justice League Warworld.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Yeah, I think legacy characters where they wear the exact same outfit as the original guy are the least likely to catch on in the public eye.
I think that's the big difference between Jason and Tim as Robin, Jason was positioned hard as just Dick Grayson again, wearing his costume, and originally having the same backstory before retcons, while Tim was a fresh start on the character with plenty of unique attributes and pants.
The problem with Wally as your Flash in adaptations is, in my opinion, the same problem you have with a lot of the second-generation characters now—they require too much explanation. For Wally to work, unless you're just turning him into Barry, there has to have been a previous Flash, so in an introductory film you've got that to explain as well as Wally's own story. Justice League: TAS got around it by essentially making Wally into a Wally-Barry hybrid and then not spending a lot of time with him in his civilian ID (though they very obliquely hinted at a previous Flash, and Wally's time as Kid Flash, in "Flash and Substance").
I hasten to add as well that all the complaints anyone may have now about the sidelining of Wally were also voiced by fans of Barry back when he was killed during Crisis (hell, they may have been voiced by Jay Garrick fans back when Barry debuted). None of us likes it when a favorite character gets written out and replaced, either with a new guy or with the old guy. Maybe don't be so quick with "his story is told, now it's time for the new guy," because it's entirely likely that eventually the new guy's story will be told, and they'll either move back to the original or on to someone else.
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It helps that Superboy-Prime was just a crisis villain instead of a legacy hero as well as the Death Metal arc happening just when DiDio has lost all of his allies and is on his way out of the company.
Edited by KRider on Aug 18th 2024 at 9:09:40 AM
Set! Avenge! "Henshin." Black General! Bujin Sword! Ready, Fight!![]()
Blue Beetle at least presents a progression on that by finally featuring a movie with an existing legacy.
Even though Jaime is the main chatacter, Dan Garret and Ted Kord exist and are his predecessors.
While Ted doesn't physically appear in the movie his legacy is significant to Jaime so it's a step in the right direction.
As well Black Adam features Atom-Smasher as the Godchild of the original Atom (though changed to Atom-Smasher in the film) so that's another existing legacy in a film.
So we are making progress on that set-up.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I'm a strong believer in the idea that when it comes to a superhero's backstory it can be as short as just a few words or as long as the entire movie. It's all a matter of execution.
For Wally, all you need to start a movie with him is the line: "My Name is Wally West and I'm the fastest man alive."
The rest of the movie can just be whatever adventure the writer wants.
Edited by Freshwater on Aug 18th 2024 at 10:17:14 AM

It's really interesting how differently Marvel and DC handle characters Editorial hates, regarding adaptations and films and such.
Over in DC, when Editorial has it out for a character, like Wally, Stephanie Brown, etc, they not only get shafted in the source but adaptations practically unperson the character. But, like, Marvel famously hates Mary Jane and her romance with Peter Parker, but they don't bother stopping adaptations from continuing to use the relationship.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 18th 2024 at 8:20:03 AM