I think Dick's personal archenemy is still Blockbuster, unless that's changed, but Slade is the archenemy of the Teen Titans in general and the team that Dick led specifically, so yes and no I guess. Like Spider-Man, Dick Grayson has multiple archnemeses.
The Batfamily is weird archenemy wise, because all of them have their own titles, their own supporting casts and rogues galleries, and their own archenemies who rarely get play elsewhere. I think Tim and Damien have both also done the "an archenemy in their own series, and a different archenemy with the Titans" thing too.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 16th 2024 at 3:51:15 AM
Adaptation-wise for Arrow is tricky since a lot of stuff includes changes to characters that wouldn't work in the comics unless it got rebooted or a new universe.
Stuff like making Mia Ollie's sister or Laurel's having a sister. In order for Sarah to be in the comics they would have to retcon her suddenly having a sister, and even then it doesn't feel like having another Canary would provide much. And Ollie's show team wouldn't work cause the Arrow family is already really big so people probably wouldn't like seeing Wild Dog or Ragman get spotlight over Connor Hawke or Roy.
Diggle works cause conceptually he's simple. A new ally/friend for Ollie to work for him in his missions so he's easy to slot in anywhere.
Some of the lesser known villains do get a lot though. Damian Dhark certainly got some major representation from his time in the franchise, and the take on Prometheus neatly makes him a Green Arrow nemesis without the Justice League/Cry for Justice complications.
Prometheus appearing more would be pretty cool, though hopefully with his classic suit caused as cool as he is in the show, they gave him the generic hooded archer costume they give to every antagonistic archer villain.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 16th 2024 at 3:54:42 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Oh yeah Emiko who was introduced in the Jeff Lemire GA series, essentially Ollie getting his own Damian Wayne.
She did appear in Arrow but they made her into a full villain whereas she's a hero in the comics.
The show also massively changed Connor Hawke Ollie's son who is black Asian (Korean specifically) and made him into just the son of Diggle and his wife while the only son Ollie has is I think with a white woman.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 16th 2024 at 4:01:16 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Connor Hawke is also straight in the show whereas he is asexual in the comics and had him hook up with Oliver's daughter (Mia). It's one of the show's changes that annoys me the most.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 16th 2024 at 6:04:57 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadIt was implied for years before the show released, even if it was only confirmed fully afterward the ended.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 16th 2024 at 7:06:44 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadYeah from what I read Connor's sexuality was the very least ambiguous and he didn't really date women at least standardly.
Arrow just sort of washed him of all his distinctive stuff so he wound up extremally in name only.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 16th 2024 at 5:09:35 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Regarding the mark CW Supergirl made on her comic self's mythos, not much really but the show did introduce Nial Nal aka Dreamer who has gone on to the comics to become her own character and her actress is currently 1 of DC Comics' writers. The show also introduced the concept of an alien quarter in National City w/c became the basis for Metropolis' A-Town.
As for Sara Lance, while she was introduced in Arrow she became even more prominent in Legends of Tomorrow so it'd be a better fit if she gets introduced as a time-traveling adventurer.
Oliver having a gay son was only in Arrow. And said son wasn't Conner Hawke but William Clayton.
Edited by KRider on Aug 16th 2024 at 6:19:42 AM
Set! Avenge! "Henshin." Black General! Bujin Sword! Ready, Fight!Yeah, this. Barry is more iconic now because they actively pushed Wally out of the spotlight and aggressively pushed Barry in the last decade or so - to the point of replacing Wally with him wherever they could - in order to make him the sole prominent Flash character.
What this tell us, right away, is that "iconic" is a function of who DC wants to be the most important right now (as it always has been, tbh), not the other way around.
A similar thing happens with Hal being put over John, Kyle, and Guy. I occasionally see the argument that Hal and Barry should be more iconic because they're the "original" versions of the characters.
But they're not. Jay Garrick and Alan Scott are the original versions of Flash and Green Lantern, but you never see those two getting a massive editorial push. They tend to be relegated to the Justice Society as "the old superhero team" or as alternate universe characters.
"I think I agree with that point about Smallville too. It has a very dedicated fanbase, but basically nothing about it continued to impact future Superman works or fans in the same way other shows have. "
Kinda and kinda no, Smallville exist in what I call "phase 0" that phase were people like superheroes but not much comic book stuff. Smallville is "we have Clark with powers but not superman"(the famous now infamous "no cape, no flight") and it work since it got tons of seasons and I admit I was a fan.
What I think it did was color perception about Luthor, like when people often imagine his voice, is michel rosenbaum(I think that was the actor) he did that much a good job.
That DCCU use lionel actor as whatever chararter in shazam was a waste.
Lobo: I feel gunn will love lobo because is his insane but hilarius doofus that Gunn love to use, he seriously have a love for mifits
GL: Count me on John being Green latern, never really care about the other ones.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Jay and Alan are really lucky to have visibly distinct costumes from their successors. Helps them stay somewhat iconic. (Applies more to the Flashes though, Lanterns are all very distinct.)
(Though most Flash sidekicks tend to start out with very nice suits overall)
Edited by alekos23 on Aug 17th 2024 at 2:54:27 PM
Having unique costumes really does help with legacy characters. For example with the Blue Beetles: Dan, Ted, and Jaime all have very distinct appearances while still having the blue body suit aesthetic.
That's part of why I prefer the yellow suit exclusively for Barry, the red suit for Wally, and the combo with the kitchen hat for Jay.
When it comes to popular consciousness, it's hard to know exactly what will stick. It's still funny to think that Clark Kent was a tv reporter for almost a decade real time in the comic universe but almost no media ever used the idea and so it never stayed in popular culture. Or the time the Amazons and Themyscira all left Earth, and Diana spent a few years in real time learning Kung Fu and running a shop in NY.
On the flipside, despite being in and out of comics for decades at a time, Alfred is forever connected with Bruce in popular culture. Likewise, being a news paper reporter is connected with Clark.
Edited by Freshwater on Aug 17th 2024 at 7:25:16 AM
Connor Hawke, IIRC, was a case of the guy writing him being so dead set on making Connor the opposite of his dad Conner was accidentally written as ace. Dixon did that a few times.
My AO3Doesn't really help we haven't really gotten a Flash adaptation that truly captures the legacy and passing the baton aspect between Barry and Wally.
The DCAU basically composited Barry and Wally together so Wally was the only Flash and never had a Kid-Flash of his own.
Arrowverse totally shafted Wally so he completely failed living up to being Barry's successor due to the severe misuse of the character.
Young Justice had Wally retire in the second season and then killed off. Along with humiliatingly portraying him as the sucky weaker Flash compared to Barry and Bart despite Wally being the fastest man alive.
The DCAMU films especially got hit with Didio's hatred of Wally to the point that Kid-Flash's appearance in the Teen Titans movie was stated to be Barry despite how little sense and continuity breaking it is. Then when black Wally appears its only in Apokolips War where he's killed off like nothing. And Tomorrowverse's Wally was a background character who didn't do anything of note before the universe ended.
So there's a clear thing that Wally is only cool when he's the only Flash. When Barry is around they have trouble balancing the 2 and not diminishing Wally in favor of Barry.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."It's kind of weird that Justice League: Mortal went through more effort to pull-off the "Wally takes over as the Flash after Barry dies" story than a lot of other DC adaptations.

More or less. Deathstroke in the comics is a merc, so he tends to fight everyone at some point. He does hate Grayson a lot, though.
At one point, he had Blockbuster, who was basically the Kingpin. Dunno if anyone else had risen up to take the spot.
Wake me up at your own risk.