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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#351: Nov 16th 2019 at 2:16:46 AM

I hope that they do keep Adam's darker nature and villainous aspects and don't make him "The Rock, but flies." Even as an antihero he leans VERY heavily on the "anti".

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#353: Nov 17th 2019 at 10:37:33 AM

Damn, that's nice. From everywhere I've heard, Zachary Levi is just the nicest person, too.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#354: Nov 17th 2019 at 11:42:31 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah I dont know, a) so far shared universe tend to be very safe and b) rock is not the type to be evil chararter, kinda like how deadshot is less of a dick because we was acted by will smith.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#355: Nov 17th 2019 at 3:36:23 PM

He has likely played as a heel in wrestling before, so that’s not as alien of a concept as Will Smith as a villain.

The legend has returned.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#356: Nov 17th 2019 at 3:36:59 PM

Okay, Twitter is really fussing about Justice League's Snyder Cut, but it's totally not happening, right? Someone said the visual effects would take ages or something like that. So yeah, no, it's not happening.

...Right?

EDIT: Okay, it's not happening.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 17th 2019 at 7:13:32 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#357: Nov 17th 2019 at 4:48:10 PM

The Snyder Cut is basically unfinished, with unfinished animation and CGI making it pretty much worthless. To finish the CGI would require millions of dollars, millions that the WB would definitely not make back, so they aren't going to finish it and they aren't going to release an unfinished movie.

I mean, they could release an unfinished movie. The fans would hate it, though, because they've build up the Snyder Cut to be this mythical movie where everything is perfect and great and everything bad about Justice League was Joss Whedon's fault, even though it clearly wasn't.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#358: Nov 17th 2019 at 4:52:06 PM

While it's not solely his fault, it unfortunately is the sad truth that a lot of the initial failure of the DCEU was Snyder's direction. He was a poor choice from the start and the executives should have really known better. If they had hedged their bets on someone with a better story and character sense, they may have gotten this thing off the ground a long time ago.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 17th 2019 at 9:34:07 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#359: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:26:06 PM

The MCU really lucked out with Jon Favreau, but moreso with Kevin Feige. You need a good producer in order to figure out who is right for what movies.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#360: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:29:42 PM

#ReleaseTheFourHourLongMovieThatWantsYouToKnowTheJokerKilledDickGraysonAndAlsoSupermanTurnsEvilAfterHeWakesUpAndConquersTheWorldBecauseBatmanKilledLoisDontchaKnowMeanwhileJunkieXLBreaksYourEardrumsWithoutAnyClassicTunesPart1Of5

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#361: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:32:57 PM

[up]Or you know...don’t.

The Snyder cut is going to remain one of those urban legends of media, like the unfinished NES Legend of Zelda III. It was a concept, not a completed product.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#363: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:12:02 PM

I am mildly curious in learning what Whedon's cut of Age of Ultron or the Maya-Hansen-as-Big-Bad version of Iron Man 3 would've been like.

Do I think that would save those movies? No, absolutely not. They would be more thematically coherent probably, but their foundational issues cannot be avoided.

Anyway, here's a good video for no reason at all.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#364: Nov 17th 2019 at 11:54:38 PM

Dan Olson summed up my view rather well when he talked about Suicide Squad, saying that while he's sure that the original David Ayer cut was probably more coherent and devoid of a lot of the jarring tonal shifts of the studio-mandated reshoots, he still wasn't convinced it would actually be a good movie. Just a better put together one. That's about what I feel would be the most likely case here. It would be better by virtue of not being a Frankenstein clearly stitched together from two wildly different movies, but I'm unconvinced it would be the masterpiece some of the supporters insist it probably is. The people who liked Snyder's movies already would probably eat it up with a spoon and the people who didn't wouldn't, just like BVS and Man of Steel before it.

That said, at this point I just want the movie to be released so those fans can have closure.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#365: Nov 18th 2019 at 12:34:46 AM

I was in LA a while back and took the Warner Brothers studio tour, in their introductory video I was amazed they included footage of Justice League that was not actually in the movie. Also saw the costumes on display along with some props and concept art, along with the Batmobile warehouse, all of it was really cool to see in person.

The big thing is that none of the Avengers movies are particularly good, but their success is that they deliver on the superhero team-up aspect. Iron Man vs. Thor was rather stupid, but at least it was fun. The most atrocious thing about Justice League was that it was butchered all to hell so that it barely even worked on that level. The characters get few, if any, iconic moment that actually sells them as a character to the audience. All the information that has been released about the Snyder Cut indicates it was at least trying to swing for the fences: History Lesson was supposed to be three times longer as a prologue where Zeus fought Uxas (pre-Omega Force Darkseid), Batman investigating a parademon nest on his own, Diana finding a mural depicting the first invasion, Cyborg's entire backstory and learning how to fly, General Swanwick revealed to be Martian Manhunter, more of the Knightmare future where Darkseid has taken over, Barry rescuing Iris from a car crash, Mera and Vulko telling Arthur about Orm, etc. I have a hard time understanding what fan would not want to see that stuff realized on screen, imperfect or not.

It may not be 100% up to theatrical standards, but neither was the actual film that was released. The sheer number of footage that has been released indicates they could cobble together something close.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#366: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:11:38 AM

History Lesson was supposed to be three times longer as a prologue where Zeus fought Uxas (pre-Omega Force Darkseid), Batman investigating a parademon nest on his own, Diana finding a mural depicting the first invasion, Cyborg's entire backstory and learning how to fly

Ohhh, man. I never knew I wanted Greek God vs. Alien Warlord until I read that. So much coolness that I don't think we've seen beforehand. I mean, we got Norse God and Wizard vs. Alien Warlord in Infinity War and Endgame, but still!

But yeah, this Snyder Cut thing is getting weird. Why's everyone fussing for it when WB is at a point where they realized grim, gritty, and depressing isn't ALWAYS a guaranteed money-maker like it used to be? And even if the Snyder Cut was legit, where would WB plop it? On HBO Max?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 18th 2019 at 9:16:21 AM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#367: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:46:13 AM

I think it's mostly because it's a movie with a plethora of evidence that the movie we got was not the movie that was intended. It's not really that audiences don't like dark but they don't want it to be oppressively dark, and being lighter in tone was said to be the intention of Justice League from the start. Since the movie we got was so underwhelming and the movie that was intended had so much completed content, that only fanned the fire.

Edited by KJMackley on Nov 18th 2019 at 6:50:07 AM

Spottedleaf Fit check for my napalm era! (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Fit check for my napalm era!
#368: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:54:55 AM

I heard about Andy Serkis as Alfred, but now all I can think of is Andy Serkis as Gollum as Alfred. Can you imagine Gollum trying to be Bruce Wayne's butler? It's just a funny image to me.

>^owo^<
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#369: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:58:46 AM

oppressively dark, which was said to be the intention of Justice League from the start.

. . .

Yeah, when one thinks of the Justice League, the phrase "oppressively dark" should really be the LAST thing anyone thinks of.

Say what you will about the Avengers movies, but even the most depressing ending they had of "half of everyone in the universe turned to dust because some deluded warlord snapped his fingers" had the faintest hint of something superhero movies really need:

HOPE.

The hope that things WILL get better somehow. The hope that evil gets taught a lesson. The hope that everyone can love everyone on their own terms.

Some may say hope is a lie, but if that's true, then what's supposed to help us power through life?

EDIT:

Can you imagine Gollum trying to be Bruce Wayne's butler?

"Masters needs to fights the Joker, yes. Joker tries to steal the preciousssss in the jewelry stores. Precious..."

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 18th 2019 at 10:01:33 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#370: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:10:05 AM

I've mostly been thinking of Caesar as Alfred. "Some men just want to watch the apes burn."

The legend has returned.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#371: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:17:01 AM

And here I was just thinking of the soup gag from Batman Returns.

“It’s raw.”

“And wriggling!”

“...You’re hopeless.”

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#372: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:54:10 AM

According to James Gunn, there's no crossover of bad guys going on between The Suicide Squad and The Batman.

Question: Did you and Matt [Reeves] discuss villain crossovers between The Batman and The Suicide Squad?

Gunn: Nope. But I think he knows who is in my script.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#373: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:54:59 AM

Amanda Waller: Batman, you look different. Plastic surgery?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#374: Nov 18th 2019 at 9:04:33 AM

Bruce Wayne: That stuff's overrated. It's more like an exotic pool. Takes years off you.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#375: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:06:59 PM

While many of thing can be blame of sydner by some choices(being darker and edgier, using not mainstrain interpretation of the chararters) other by not understanding what make a cinematic universe work(usually it relies with security and some sameness, with big risk, big reward are discouraged as SS who bomb critically was financially a success to try again, people expecting what they know about a character already) and other like cramming to much.

BUT, Warner play a role as well, butchering the movie or in case of JL, having whedon, a man far, far, FAR from vision from Sydner is just a mistake, I mean you can see that in how Superman grab batman, repeat is line from the last movie, then batman fall and...said a snarky line all the sudden, it was bad.

" it when WB is at a point where they realized grim, gritty, and depressing isn't ALWAYS a guaranteed money-maker like it used to be?"

I will said dark movies dont work well in a shared universe, were reability and icon moment are the way to go, I mean almost all the dark and gritty movie like Logan, venom, deadpool and joker share this they are standalone protect(Sure, Deadpool share univese with X men but it was a one say street), the closer Marvel it got was civil war and maybe infinity war....maybe.

That is why I kinda wondering how it will be suicide squad and batman, the first with gunn probably will be wacky and more risky guardians and the second I dont have much hope.

Edited by unknowing on Nov 18th 2019 at 6:40:50 AM

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