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Looks good from a first glance. I'll go through it more thoroughly and note my thoughts down tomorrow.
I've edited the main foil page to cut the shoehorned subtropes from the standalone folder, and commented out a couple that are ambiguous and need rewrites or reworkings to fit on the page. After the other subsections are pruned, we can go through and add explanations to the ones that fit on how they can be used as foils.
I've also noted that interaction between the characters is important, and put Contrasting Sequel Main Character and Contrasting Sequel Antagonist in the description to make it clear that they don't count as foils.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Sep 2nd 2019 at 11:28:58 AM
I've managd to trim down most of V3's cross-game examples down to those who interact in UTDP. However, I'm not sure if they serve as foils to each other. I've got a link to the wiki, which has transcripts of their conversations in UTDP, here.
Edited by GoldenCityBird on Sep 3rd 2019 at 10:11:36 AM
I think Foil.The Big Bang Theory should be looked at. Multiple examples seem like shoehorning singular or meaningless traits like ethnicity or using several characters in a single comparison.
As for V3, I'd remove Kokichi and Himiko as well as Ryoma and Korekiyo. The characters don't interact closely enough.
Edited by Piterpicher on Sep 3rd 2019 at 4:59:19 PM
Yup, just taking a quick look at the page, there are some entries that are fairly meaningless character trivia "x likes Star Wars and y doesn't," which is of course not foil-worthy and should be cut. The entries about contrasting personality traits can stay, but the page needs a major rewrite to mention the interactions and how they highlight these traits.
x2 I'll take a look at the wiki later and give my opinion on if it counts.
x3 Good analysis again. Going through the tropes to highlight the ones that seem shoehorned and can be cut and the ones that might work, but just need clarification on the page:
Edited by ILikeRobots on Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:30:42 AM
I've removed Ryoma and Korekiyo. I've only commented out Kokichi and Himiko, as they both survive for quite a while, but they can be removed.
I've removed examples on TBBT which were about outlier characters in groups or meaningless non-personality traits. I don't think I'm up to rewriting current examples yet, though.
Edited by Piterpicher on Sep 3rd 2019 at 5:51:24 PM
Hey, you can repost any misuses of Foil you find in this TLP thread, if you think it'll help you clean up easier. The whole point is to help with the cleanup.
I've gone through the pairs of common foils on the main page and deleted those that didn't fit from before. I've hidden those that are more ambiguous and could possibly be rewritten to fit based on the analysis.
Finished giving a bit more context to how the subtropes fit, partly with stuff I wrote and partly with stuff ~War Jay 77 wrote. Gonna make another pass through later on to finish it up, then tackle the last two sections of the common foils folder.
Should we have a broader "Contrasting Character Duo" trope?
That would be a useful place for the opposite duo tropes that don't rely on personality and interaction to go so they aren't mistaken for foil, now that I think about it. Maybe those could be migrated over there.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Sep 8th 2019 at 1:18:02 AM
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