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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Aug 16th 2019 at 12:10:27 PM

As recommended in ATT, a clean-up for namespaces. Many are inconsistently used throughout the site. For example, BadassNormal.Card Games, BigEater.Card Games, and OneWingedAngel.Card Games should be under Tabletop Games.

Common mishaps I've seen are:

Fan Works seem to be the most mixed up. The pages are inconsistently named. Most are under Fan Works but many still haven't been moved from Fan Fics and Fan Fic. For example: GrowingTheBeard.Fan Fics, SmugSnake.Fan Fics, EstablishingCharacterMoment.Fan Fics, FromBadToWorse.Fanfic, OnlyKnownByTheirNickname.Fanfic, RoaringRampageOfRevenge.Fan Fic, AdaptationSpeciesChange.Fan Works, ArcWords.Fan Works, CassandraTruth.Fan Works.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Apr 10th 2020 at 8:40:46 AM

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#2: Aug 16th 2019 at 12:15:04 PM

Also, Pro Wrestling and Professional Wrestling (latter is correct as it has more subpages and matches index name).

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 16th 2019 at 9:16:55 PM

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#3: Aug 22nd 2019 at 5:48:02 AM

OEL Manga are western-made comics. Manga is for Japanese-made comics, not Animesque comics. Manhwa is for Korean-made comics, not Animesque comics. Manhua is for Chinese-made comics, not Animesque comics. Webcomic is for internet-published comics, which ignores country of origin. Unless originally published in one of the aforementioned countries, or on the internet, an OEL Manga should be in the Comic Book namespace and the Comicbooks Media folder/subpage.


(It's not your fault, it is our stupid "country of origin as medium" divisions. If a work was originally published in Japan, it's exceedingly unlikely to be "original English language".)

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#4: Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:41:32 AM

[up] According to ATT, OEL Manga should be listed under Manga. But a Wiki Talk thread on this issue didn't come to a conclusion. I brought it up again in the WT thread.

I'd like to move a few Fanfics and Fanfic pages to Fan Works. That's the correct namespace, right?

Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 22nd 2019 at 3:43:11 AM

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#5: Aug 22nd 2019 at 4:16:23 PM

More common errors I've run across:

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Aug 25th 2019 at 6:47:54 AM

SmugSnake.Fan Fics,WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes.Fan Fics, and LightIsNotGood.Fan Fics has been cut and moved. I'm cutting DrivenToSuicide.Fan Fic today.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 25th 2019 at 7:25:13 AM

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#7: Aug 25th 2019 at 2:45:11 PM

I'm still contesting OEL "manga", but there's a separate thread for that.

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Jan 24th 2020 at 11:25:32 AM

Many people keep on creating a "Card Games" spot in the examples section. I've asked in ATT and tabletop games (whether it's Candy Land, Chess, Dominos, Dungeons & Dragons, or what) all go under "Tabletop Games".

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#10: Jan 24th 2020 at 11:47:26 AM

I will admit that Board and Card games are different things?

Should that be encoded into the namespace system? Perhaps?

We split Video Games and Visual Novels...

Edited by Malady on Jan 24th 2020 at 11:48:34 AM

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Jan 25th 2020 at 10:26:55 AM

[up] Video Games and Visual Novels are already listed separatedly.

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#12: Jan 25th 2020 at 12:56:02 PM

[up] Inconsistently, I might note. They're often lumped together on trope pages.

But in any case, it's clear Malady was talking in past tense.

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#13: Feb 16th 2020 at 1:50:51 PM

Should Web Original, Web Video, and Web Animation be listed under different sections?

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#14: Feb 16th 2020 at 1:54:21 PM

[up] I say so.

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#15: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:11:56 AM

Vaguely related to the Animated Films debate, but I'd rather bring it up here:

What counts as Western for the purposes of WesternAnimation/? Is it "everywhere that isn't Asia" or is it more complex than that?

EDIT: The Western Animation page itself says "the United States, Canada, Latin America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand" (direct quote), but doesn't define "Latin America".

Edited by bwburke94 on Mar 24th 2020 at 10:15:01 AM

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#16: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:40:39 PM

I thought Latin America was defined as containing countries in the Western Hemisphere that predominantly speak Spanish, French, or Portuguese.

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#17: Mar 26th 2020 at 7:34:06 PM

There are a few arguments about the precise definition, but for our purposes we should probably define it fairly broadly (Mexico, Central America, Caribbean, South America.)

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#18: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:41:42 AM

Is documentaries its own medium? Gentle Giant Sauropod separates them from Film and Live Action TV.

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#19: Apr 10th 2020 at 1:55:43 PM

Documentaries are Film, unless produced as a TV series in which case they are Live-Action TV.

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#20: Jun 17th 2020 at 3:38:43 PM

An ATT query came up a while back regarding the placement of Web Serial NovelsMaLady and I were under the impression they went under "Literature" in both namespaces and folders, while St Fan was under the impression they went in the Literature namespace but the Web Original folder.

Which of these is correct?

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#21: Jun 17th 2020 at 6:30:36 PM

I'll repeat what I said there. They're literature, so they go in Literature/.

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#22: Aug 13th 2020 at 12:45:43 AM

Web Video namespace gets misused for pages about Creators of web videos and sometimes Web Animation, and mis-capitalized Webvideo.

For the creator problem, some of them just need some rewrites to make them pages about, say, the works on a particular creator's channel, instead of focusing on the real person creating the videos. (Changing every channel page to the Creator namespace is... impractical.)

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#23: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:56:52 AM

[up] By extension, the WebVideo/ problem also applies to LetsPlay/.

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#24: Aug 13th 2020 at 10:21:49 AM

Wait... animated films aren’t supposed to be in the Western Animation and Anime namespaces? Because I have not seen a single animated film on this website that isn’t under Western Animation, Anime, or just Animation.

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#25: Aug 13th 2020 at 4:59:51 PM

[up] This thread is about the differences between namespaces and folders.

Animated films go in the same namespace as their non-film counterparts, but are supposed to go in a different folder.

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