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Pichu-kun ...
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Aug 16th 2019 at 12:03:42 PM

[up](x3) There's probably less than two dozen of them. I don't think they need a thread to be removed.

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Aug 16th 2019 at 12:13:32 PM

I like the PSA warnings myself, but the liability point is something I fully agree with.

So removing 'em sounds like a good idea to me with that in mind.

That said, we could just move the thread to short-term projects with a new title or something. Or just make a quick thread. Or hell, just do it here without moving it. They're all fine options. There's not a lot of these, so the cleanup shouldn't take too long.

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iamconstantine Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Aug 16th 2019 at 12:55:01 PM

Yeah, after this discussion, I can see why removing them altogether would be the better option. On the off chance that someone in the future puts a warning on a page, should there be an official rule about this, or should we just link to this discussion?

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Aug 16th 2019 at 1:36:21 PM

Due to liability, I feel like a rule might be a better way to go about it.

It's easy to enforce via this thread, but it could also be among other Administrative pages?

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Aug 16th 2019 at 4:42:29 PM

It's always a little tacky when the writing starts addressing editors or readers directly, especially on sensitive topics. In a general sense I don't see much of a problem offering links to help organizations on pages like Driven to Suicide, though it should be kept off creator pages (unless they personally run the charity).

I suppose a possible solution could be a list of links at the bottom of a page, like how Wikipedia cross references things to official sites at the bottom of their pages. Keeps things modest and not cluttering up the descriptions.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 16th 2019 at 4:53:52 PM

Again, I maintain that the topic of articles like Driven to Suicide is not real life suicide. It is about a trope in fictional media. Real life digressions of any sort are unwanted.

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Aug 16th 2019 at 5:50:07 PM

If we pull these warnings, what should be done about You Are Not Alone and its Real Life subpage?

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 16th 2019 at 6:38:15 PM

Oh, my Jehovah, that article is giving me diabetes just looking at it. The description is too long, it goes on too many tangents, and it presents itself like someone reading a book to a terminally ill child. Nobody needs that. Hell, it makes me depressed, and the Real Life page is even worse. It sounds like what you'd hear in a cult.

And what the fuck is a WAFF? Yes, I know what the acronym means, but what exactly is it describing? To go by its examples, absolutely nothing of use or interest.

Do we really have people reading our site who are that emotionally needy?


Okay, hyperbole over. Chainsaw the description of You Are Not Alone, cut the Real Life subpage, and move WAFF to Sugar Wiki.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 16th 2019 at 9:44:57 AM

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Aug 16th 2019 at 8:48:31 PM

[up] W.A.F.F. has been moved to Sugar Wiki and I've taken the main page to the cutlist; if it goes through, we'll have to clean up the links.

Edited by gjjones on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:27:14 PM

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✓Veteran Editor
Aug 17th 2019 at 6:30:31 AM

I don't know if You Are Not Alone should be cut as it seems like people on the discussion page appreciate it. It seems like a matter of taste, though I don't oppose the cut personally and agree with moving WAFF to Sugar Wiki as I don't get it myself.

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 17th 2019 at 3:52:02 PM

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Geronimo!
Aug 17th 2019 at 6:43:20 AM

"Seems like people on the discussion page appreciate You Are Not Alone."

If appreciation were a criterion for keeping articles, we'd never cut a single one. I'm pleased that sad people are being cheered up, but I'd rather that be because they read a witty example on a trope article, not because we're taking it upon ourselves to act as a self-help site. We are not Wikipedia, and we are also not happythoughts.com.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 17th 2019 at 9:45:57 AM

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AegisP Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Aug 17th 2019 at 6:44:34 AM

People like many things but that doesnt make it kosher to go against Mod Decisions.

ninja'd

Edited by AegisP on Aug 17th 2019 at 6:49:19 AM

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem. "That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."
Pichu-kun ...
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Aug 17th 2019 at 3:31:41 PM

[up](x4) Was it decided in a thread to move WAFF? I just cleaned it up a few days ago so that fan-works and canon examples were split.

Should the PSA's be removed now?

Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 17th 2019 at 5:22:52 AM

GastonRabbit The Duck Knight from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Duck Knight
Aug 17th 2019 at 10:45:07 PM

Should You Are Not Alone be added to No Real Life Examples, Please!?

Edit: I'll note that I just found this thread after skimming recent cuts. I'll see if I have something more well thought-out to say after reading the whole thread.

Edit: All right, I've made my decision. I'm fine with getting rid of the disclaimers. Let's discuss works instead of playing doctor.

Edit: Back on the subject of recent cuts, Main.WAFF and Main.Warm And Fuzzy Feeling weren't dewicked before they were cutlisted. That might be why they weren't cut.

Update: Main.Warm And Fuzzy Feeling was dewicked. What should W.A.F.F.'s page type be? It's currently set to subpage, even though it isn't a subpage.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 17th 2019 at 1:32:35 PM

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Pichu-kun ...
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Aug 18th 2019 at 9:03:30 AM

I was going to remove some of the PSAs but I noticed this on Driven to Suicide: Do not edit this section to remove it or to remove the link. This is an admin warning. Edit-banning may be the result of ignoring it.

Aug 18th 2019 at 9:31:54 AM

A little Wayback Machine research shows that note was put in there by ~Madrugada in February of 2011 in response to an edit war. Some of the edit reasons make mention of a repair shop thread of some kind, but I haven't been able to turn it up.

Considering the amount of time that has passed and the fact that this thread appears to have reached near-unanimous consensus, I submit that this thread can safely supersede whatever discussion came before.

Aug 18th 2019 at 9:32:28 AM

Double-posting to attempt to properly page ~Madrugada in case they can add any information.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 18th 2019 at 9:47:44 AM

I took care of it. Madrugada is not actively moderating any more, and she can take it up with the rest of us if she has an issue.

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Pichu-kun ...
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Aug 18th 2019 at 12:45:25 PM

I deleted a few PSAs with edit reasons linking back to this thread.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
GastonRabbit The Duck Knight from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Duck Knight
Aug 18th 2019 at 11:06:19 PM

To follow up on the last part of my previous post, I went ahead and changed W.A.F.F.'s page type to trope since it isn't a subpage.note  If Just for Fun would be more accurate, feel free to change it further.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 18th 2019 at 1:09:10 PM

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
Pichu-kun ...
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Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:50:19 AM

This was added to Driven to Suicide:

[[ noreallife ]] Remember you are not alone.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:50:35 AM

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Aug 22nd 2019 at 10:08:52 AM

It was added by happy123boy, to clarify.

Obviously it should go.

Edited by Irene on Aug 22nd 2019 at 12:18:18 PM

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