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I'm thinking one way we can save this is to make this No Real Life Examples, Please!, since fictional examples are listed.
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I think making this NRLEP is all that's really necessary, unless the you have evidence that in-universe examples are also causing problems. Cutting is too drastic since there are plenty of fictional examples.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 14th 2019 at 9:53:00 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.I lean towards making it In Universe Examples Only, which I feel differs from NRLEP since there are plenty of In-Universe examples of real people (either as a discussed trope or in biopics).
Making it fully NRLEP seems a bit odd considering the trope is named after a real person, after all.
So yeah. IUEO and move to Main/ has my vote.
Edited by Larkmarn on Aug 14th 2019 at 11:10:06 AM
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I don't think NRLEP means biopic examples are forbidden. Also, for the future OP, you can't just cutlist problematic trope pages; they need to go through TRS.
Edited by rjd1922 on Aug 14th 2019 at 10:42:31 AM
Keet cleanupI say both IUEO and NRLEP, since real life complaining have no place on a wiki about fiction. Of course, this means that the Trope Namer is no longer an accepted example. I don't know if this is grounds for a rename, though.
I will also say that works discussing real people is fine to add, since it's in the work.
Edited by Brainulator9 on Aug 14th 2019 at 11:47:17 AM
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!I suppose IUEO would work, too.
That said, I'm pretty sure rjd is correct in that examples from works based on real life do not count as real life examples for the purposes of NRLEP.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 15th 2019 at 11:21:04 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.Making this In-Universe Examples Only is a good idea to fix the troping real people problem.
Edited by ADrago on Aug 14th 2019 at 11:13:14 AM
IUEO for the reasons Larkmarn said.
My two cents: "Troper/unknown amount of fans think(s) X ruined Y's career" examples should be gone while the more historical (i.e. cited by biographers, mainstream media, the couple in question, etc.) RL examples be kept.
Edited by Albert3105 on Aug 15th 2019 at 1:59:18 PM
The way I see it is, if the historical examples still come from works, then while they may technically be real-life, they're also In-Universe because it occurs within the reality of the work itself. Even if the work is about real-life, it's also a work, subject to bias, factual errors, and more. That'll make these examples "real life", but also in-universe, just as long as the work treats them as truth.
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And I'm guessing that "work" means an officially published statement whose content goes through at least some semblance of screening? Should we use citations rule for this, similar to Unfortunate Implications?
Added a third option to account for the suggestion for historical real life examples.
I got a rock for Halloween.
I'm totally against restricting this to in-universe. Instead, we should permanently lock this page, start up a long-term cleanup thread for this trope (a la Complete Monster) and make all examples subject to the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.
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What should be done with Yoko Oh No? Option 1 is not mutually exclusive with options 2 and 3, but options 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive with each other.

This trope attracts complaining about real fans and real celebrity significant others, and that is what has become of it. This website has rules against complaining about real people- and for good reason. Complaining about any real person is asking for flame wars. If the trope can be saved at all (and I'm not sure it can), major changes are necessary to keep this website a flame-free environment. My doubts that this trope can be saved are so strong that I actually requested that it be cut, but my request got rejected. So I guess we can try to save it. I could be right about that. But I could be wrong.
Edited by MsRandom303 on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:26:07 AM