Character Page Cleanup

Can I ask a question.

Why are the character pages for The Hunger Games split between films and literature?

Harry potter has it combined (as well as other literature works where their film adpations are together) and unlike say Game of thrones / a song of ice and fire. The changes here are minimal.

I'm guessing the split was done while the films were still in progress, so we didn't know how different they'd be to the books.

Any opinions on my question here?

I... don't see the problem?

I just fell like having to got through over what is like 50 is a lot of work. But that could just be me.

Are Mortal Kombat 1 Part 1 & Mortal Kombat 1 Part 2 small enough to be merged?

Ditto for Mortal Kombat 2 Part 1 & Mortal Kombat II Part 2.

Sabrina: The Animated Series haves a folder for Alvin, a character that appears in a single episode of the show, with only four (ZCE) tropes about him. This is probably due to a troper that really loved the episode where he appears and also added a slew of examples in the show's main page all focused on that single episode.

So here's something odd— the Cookie Run character pages are first organized by characters that appeared in LINE, then by characters that appeared in Line's successor, OvenBreak: however, in the Line pages themselves, the Cookies are grouped by how Ovenbreak ranks them.

This is in my opinion unnecessary and causes page bloat, most egregiously with Characters.Cookie Run C Rank Cookies; that page only contains GingerBrave and GingerBright, and sits at just 6,186 characters - for reference, the character-specific cleanup thread states that a single character must be 40,000 bytes or more to qualify for their own page.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Sep 25th 2021 at 11:08:43 AM

So I posted this in Ask The Tropers but no one responded. I'm gonna ask here.

Is there any way we can create a unified template for characters in comicbooks?

Right now for the Marvel characters I use the following template:

Is there any thing we could add or remove? or use different terminology for the names like debut or real name?

Some pages also add powers and abilities, team affiliations, species, and nationality. I just want to streamline the template we use.

Also for aliases if we use it should we just use main names they've gone by or nicknames and the like?

Something I've wanted to do with Characters.Legend Of Galactic Heroes for ages, so I've finally decided to split it into subpages. Does it look okay? While at it, added general folders, more characters, categorization and fixed quite a LOT of glaringly obvious typos, so some further proof-reading (If there were ZCE I haven't checked yet) may be needed.

Edited by Amonimus on Sep 27th 2021 at 4:43:56 PM

Should Jevil & Spamton’s names be obscured in the folders of Characters.Deltarune? Jevil’s name probably isn’t a spoiler out of context, and Spamton is introduced in normal gameplay before he ascends to Bonus Boss status.

Neither has any reason to be obscured.

characters' names should never be spoiled out in folders. if the character is a Walking Spoiler, you can indicate that in the folder heading, but their name must not be obscured.

All Deltarune pages are spoilers off anyway, so . . . yeah.

Two thing regards to the James Bond pages.

1. I’ve noticed that the Character-Specific Pages are missing quite a few incarnations, most noticeably the ones from Casino Royale (1967) and Never Say Never Again, which could at least somewhat help with the Byte problem they currently face. However, Bond himself is reaching Public Domain Character status so that makes me question whether or not we should add Lawyer-Friendly Cameo (The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) or Public Domain (Moriarty the Patriot) appearances.

2. On a lighter note, should I bring the Bond pages onto the Literature/ section since they started out in books?

Edited by GeneralGigan on Sep 30th 2021 at 2:46:01 PM

Characters.Outsider has quite a few entries on it that are either plot tropes or are situational/circumstantial and don't occur enough to be characterization tropes. I'm proposing that the following entries be moved back to the work page:

• From Jardin's folder: Get Out!, Going Commando, Oh, Crap!, Shoulders-Up Nudity, Take Me to Your Leader, Undressing the Unconscious
• From Beryl's folder: Catching Some Z's, Letting Her Hair Down, Oh, Crap!
• From Talon's folder: Cluster F-Bomb, Early-Bird Cameo, Greeting Gesture Confusion
• From Spiral's folder: Early-Bird Cameo
• From Kikitik-27's folder: Angrish

Thoughts?

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 3rd 2021 at 10:04:31 AM

I think that that raises a deeper question — specifically, how and why do we determine what does and doesn't go into character folders? Do we have specific guidelines, or is this one of those situations where everyone assumes we're following the same unwritten rules until it turns out we aren't?

So, to put the unwritten into written form, the impression I've personally tended to get is that, under a character's character folder, you put:

• Characterization — personality, ambitions, motivations, narrative role, character archetypes, and so on.
• Physical nature — appearance, unusual traits, species and so on.
• Equipment and powers — tools, garments and such associated with and/or owned by the character, plus any elemental, super-, magical or whatever else powers are applicable.
• Noteworthy events — and this is where things get tricky, because "noteworthy" is pretty ambiguous. I do think that a blanket ban on one-off things isn't a good idea, because a lot of events that happen once to a character can still be notable enough to warrant mentioning (for example, how a character is born, is introduced or dies, or other one-off things such as marriage, coronations, permanent transformations, and so on). Generally, I get the impression that if something happens to or is done by a character and that character alone and that thing is a trope, then it can be put into that character's associated folder

Now, regarding the specific examples, I don't personally think that it's an issue that any of them are where they are. I do, however, think that the example of Underground City in Beryl's folder shouldn't be there, because it's not... really a part of her character and only tangentially a part of her story. Underground City isn't a character trait, a part of a character, or something that happens to or is done by a character, right? If someone was born in Venice, for instance, you wouldn't put City of Canals in their folder as well.

By contrast, Early-Bird Cameo absolutely seems like something that should be included in a character folder. I mean, it only happens once, sure, but... by definition, a character can only be introduced once. Saying that the way in which a character is introduced into a story isn't important to that character just seems strange, honestly (and, looking at the "related" page for the trope, it's definitely something that gets routinely included into character pages; same goes for Oh, Crap!, for that matter).

Generally speaking, I agree with those first three criteria. The fourth, however, largely depends on whether or not they form a pattern of behavior or are very pivotal to the character's role in the story, or at least that's always been my interpretation of what goes where. Also, when multiple characters exhibit a particular trope, I find it much cleaner and more efficient to list them out in bulleted form on the work page rather than individual entries on the character page. I hate unnecessary redundancy and that is a prime example of it IMO.

In this particular page's case, several of these entries are one-off things that are worth mentioning because they are trope examples, but are circumstantial in their respective moments of showing up, and thus don't fit either criteria and are more fitting for the work page than for their character page entries. The Oh, Crap! entries, I would put them in a bulleted list on the work page. Early-Bird Cameo is already listed on the work page, covering the two characters with their own folders and one who hasn't made enough of an impact on the plot to warrant her own folder, so having it also in the character folders hits that "unnecessary redundancy" ticker for me.

I could go either way on the Underground City entry, although I would argue that it belongs in Beryl's folder since she specifically mentions that her happiest memories are pretty much everything in her life aside from living there.

Randomly got to Characters.True Blood, and the deeper you go to it, the more you see "X is this" or "that happened" type of examples, nothing after a trope listed, and empty folders.

I'm tired as shit, but from a quick glance it looks like there's no actual tropes on Characters.Cookie Wars - the one original Cookie to the game, Energy Drink, isn't even listed!

Is anything salvageable or should I chuck it to the cutlist?

I'd say just cutlist it; for the one entry that has tropes, almost all of them are ZCEs

I don't disagree that it's generally better to avoid redundancy, but I tend to feel that in situations where a trope only applies to a small number of characters — as opposed to a large slice of the cast, for instance — it isn't really a problem to list this kind of thing in individual folders. Of course, the issue is that it's hard to draw a clear line between subjective terms like "a small number" and "many".

However, more specifically, I also feel that important beats in a character's narrative — such as how they enter the narrative — are something that should ideally be listed in that character's folder.

Characters.Deltarune was unilaterally restructured by A 0 Z 1 E 4 R 7 (a decision I actually think suits the page better). However, they forgot to cutlist Characters.Deltarune The Holders Of The Shadow Crystals, as it now has no content.

EDIT: Cutlisted since there weren’t any responses.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Oct 10th 2021 at 11:35:52 AM

I've made a big effort in cleaning up and overhauling the Clayfighter Characters Page (mostly in the form of grammar fixing), and I wouldn't mind some feedback! Thank you!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ClayFighter

The Animorphs character pages are a bit of a mess. Some one-shot characters have entries while some recurring ones don't, and Tom's folder talks about three characters as if they were one. It looks like an artefact from the early days of the wiki. Anyone want to help me fix them?

Edited by NitroIndigo on Oct 12th 2021 at 4:29:54 PM