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Aug 12th 2019 at 7:07:28 AM

Ok, around last year, I made individual tropes pages for Thor's comicbook version and for Ragna the Bloodedge of BlazBlue:

The Mighty Thor The Character

Blaz Blue Ragna The Bloodedge

Besides needing help with making sure that there aren't any forms of misuse, natter, and such, I'm also questioning if they should have individual character pages. I don't think Thor's has enough to warrant one, and while I think Ragna does, BlazBlue as a whole is so troperiffic that one may as well be given to all the main characters. Hell, Terumi/Hazama has his own self demonstrating page. I asked about this earlier, but I didn't get much of a response. Supposedly, there is a long-term project to give many big name comicbook characters their own character pages, but I haven't seen evidence of that. If there is one, could someone put the link here?

Anyway, what should be done here?

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Aspirant Creativity Wizard
Aug 12th 2019 at 10:04:06 AM

[up] Just from a quick glance, Iím seeing a lot of example indentation issues and fully spoilered-out entries in Ragna, so you probably wanna address those first. Some of the spoilers in the page do give a lead in like ďIn [title], [blah blah spoilers],Ē and itís the best for readability to help people decide if they want to read the spoiler.

Thorís page is definitely looking scant for its own article: maybe people more familiar with the works and character can add more meat to the page.

Edited by ILikeRobots on Aug 12th 2019 at 10:04:32 AM

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Aug 12th 2019 at 10:41:48 AM

[up] Ok, I think I can manage the example indentation on Ragna's page. I'm still struggling with spoilers (specifically with an entire trope being spoiled), but I'll see what I can do. Would it be a good idea to put a warning for anything under Late-Arrival Spoiler? At this point, I think anything from the first three games should unmarked.

As for Thor, where should I go to draw attention to the page so additional tropes can be added? Is there a "Wiki Love" page that I can add it to?

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Aspirant Creativity Wizard
Aug 12th 2019 at 11:13:25 AM

[up] For Thor, you should head here, where a bunch of pages needing more attention and expansion are posted.

For spoilers, Iíll admit that Iím not sure about that. Personally I err on not assuming people have seen older works and use tags for courtesy (I havenít seen a bunch of things ďeveryone has seen/everyone has played,Ē after all), but Late-Arrival Spoiler is a bit different.

Iím in the Fire Emblem fandom, and whatís technically spoilers have been made more or less common knowledge in two major cases and a bunch of minor ones thanks to the spin-off game, to the point that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo donít even try to hide them anymore.

I think if thatís the case in this work (not familiar with the source material), markers can be removed. If you want, you could remove stuff for the first three games and post a warning that spoilers for said games are all unmarked at the top of the page. So people new to the series but not wanting to be spoiler have a heads up.

Edited by ILikeRobots on Aug 12th 2019 at 11:14:05 AM

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Aug 12th 2019 at 11:44:16 AM

[up]I added the Late-Arrival Spoiler warning at the top of Ragna's character page and did what I could to clean-up example indentation and fully spoiler tagged tropes. If there are any other issues present there, let me know and I'll get to it when I can.

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 12th 2019 at 12:12:38 PM

They seem good to me. [tup]

I'll try to do Characters.Brutal Series Horrible when I have time.

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Aug 12th 2019 at 4:57:04 PM

Ok, for Thor's comic character page, I've only a few comics, such as the God of Thunder arc involving Gorr and War of the Realms, so my knowledge is limited. I'll try to do some added reading to see what else can be added later. Should anything from Garth Ennis's Thor: Vikings be added? The miniseries has tropes involving the character and supposedly it's canon, though that is extremely questionable considering who's writing this and what he hates the most. I tried reading it, but could barely handle the first couple issues. If it has tropes that can be used, then we can add them, but I don't think it's valid. What do you guys think?

Lastly, if the character page doesn't accumulate enough tropes before the end of the year to warrant having it's own page, then would everyone be in favor of moving the tropes back to the "Asgardians" section?

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F E A R
Aug 14th 2019 at 12:11:42 AM

As mentioned in the ZCE cleanup thread, I scrubbed the mess that was Blog.Sinverse. Characters.Sinverse is just as bad, and there's no way I'm cleaning it right now.

Also found Characters.Letter Bee, which has the same ZCE problems (though thankfully everything is wiki worded).

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Aug 15th 2019 at 12:16:20 AM

Characters.XCOM Enemy Unknown is an old page that has a bunch of "it's this trope because it's this trope"-style ZCEs. The final boss's folder has tons of ZCEs and violates the spoiler policy pretty badly. I'm not even sure it's a Walking Spoiler since it's a fairly non-descriptive super-version of an existing enemy type.

Hopefully have time to fix this page myself later this week since I'm familiar with the series but if not, hey it's here now.

Primis from Nsburg
Aug 15th 2019 at 12:38:18 PM

Where do we stand on random non-characters being added to character pages? Both Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog and Characters.Super Mario Bros list random enemy units as though they were just as important as Sonic and Mario, despite having literally no characterization or plot significance whatsoever.

Characters.MCU Others lists the Infinity Stones, Infinity Gauntlet, and the Darkhold. That is, six rocks, a glove, and a book, respectively.

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WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 15th 2019 at 12:40:01 PM

I don't know, but since the issue has been brought up multiple times, this may be a good place to take a definitive stance.

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Aug 15th 2019 at 1:37:01 PM

The issue isn't they're enemy units. They are characters in a game nonetheless. The issue is that there's no way to really write in proper characterization examples. To me, removing "species" is fine as long as they cannot be given proper tropes about their characterization. Even light stuff(like the lore in Pokemon) gives something actually worth troping.

Even stuff like animations can potentially be useful. Iconic enemies may be worth mentioning. In many cases, the enemies in Paper Mario have unique animations that give some kind of characterization. That could be enough alone to give something that isn't just "sit on chairs" at best.

So, imo, I think we should look at each page as it comes up and apply it based upon whether we see characterization in-story or physically. I wouldn't consider stuff like the usual sprites in SMB 1 to be treated as any kind of characterization. They just walk around. Or do a quick attack. They barely are animated. Likewise, many RPG's suffer from the same issue(including earlier Dragon Quest games), with no real animations. There's nothing to characterize beyond their existence, which makes it perfect for the main page if anywhere(hell, even Analysis can be useful at times for stuff like this).

Another issue I've noticed is stuff like Palette Swap. That's a home for easy ZCE's. Though it is easier to flesh out on a character entry, as you can explain what it's a swap of(and explain the differences between the two). The question remains if it's better for the main page or not, though.

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F E A R
Aug 15th 2019 at 1:42:56 PM

I think the Mario enemies can stay, considering the amount of spin offs they've been playable in and thus have more stuff to work with.

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Tomodachi I'm stronger than I think I am from Venezuela Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm stronger than I think I am
Aug 16th 2019 at 11:17:20 AM

I feel ashamed of mentioning this, but I think there should be a cleanup in Dragon Ball Legends. I'm responsible for most of the edits there, but I think I did a lousy work with the characters that appear in the game besides the original characters.

Also, a lot of "some caption text", I haven't had the time to properly watch the story mode again to learn some quotes. Gacha games are hard to tropefy people. Should I cut those examples and add it to a sandbox?

Edited by Tomodachi on Aug 16th 2019 at 11:20:08 AM

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WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 16th 2019 at 11:48:22 AM

Hey, it's not that bad.

I think a sandbox is a good idea, but no need to cut what's already there, unless it's problematic.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 16th 2019 at 2:49:07 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Aug 16th 2019 at 12:13:23 PM

Tangentially related, I made a thread discussing a sandbox for "How to Create a Character Page." The idea is to have something to point new tropers to so that they don't make ZCE-ridden messes of a character pages straight out of the gate.

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 16th 2019 at 12:20:16 PM

[up] Saw it, looks great to me.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Aug 18th 2019 at 3:43:04 PM

These character pages are for a couple of fanfics that I think need some work.

The character page for A Man of Iron is one that I work on and so far, the biggest issue is that it has multiple tropes that are fully spoiler tagged, which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed. Considering that some we're well over 40 chapters past Book 1, should late-arrival spoilers be applied?

The second one is for Friendly Foreign Exchange Student Spider-Man. Now this one I stopped following a while back, so I'm not 100 percent sure what issues it has, but last I saw, there was a lot of misspelling, and I think there was an instance of foil not being used correctly. Also, some inconsistent spoiler tags, like sometimes the ending of Infinity War is treated as Late-Arrival Spoiler and is unmarked, but sometimes it isn't. Again, haven't worked on the page in a while, but I'd say it needs a looking at just to make sure.

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 18th 2019 at 4:14:37 PM

Still working on Brutal Series, if anyone could lend a hand I'd appreciate this.

There's also a lot of backlog here. We need to tackle these things as a team, otherwise nothing'll really get done.

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Tomodachi I'm stronger than I think I am from Venezuela Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm stronger than I think I am
Aug 18th 2019 at 7:57:30 PM

Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi

Grim Tales from Down Below

These pages are terrible. Zero-Context Example and spoilers hiding everything. The Powerpuff one is especially grating.

Edited by Tomodachi on Aug 18th 2019 at 8:06:07 AM

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Aug 19th 2019 at 1:12:44 PM

Ok, I'm cleaning up spoilers and fully spoiler tagged tropes in the A Man of Iron character page, but it's taking a lot of work. Can I get some assistance with it?

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Aug 19th 2019 at 1:35:24 PM

Try the spoiler removal tool under Itty Bitty Wiki Tools

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Aug 19th 2019 at 6:00:25 PM

I tried the Itty Bitty Wiki Tools, but I couldn't figure out how to use them, so I made the fixes manually. Can someone give the A Man of Iron character page a look over? I'd like to make sure everything looks solid.

JRads47 Father I cannot click book from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Father I cannot click book
Aug 19th 2019 at 9:56:58 PM

So I was wondering if the characters pages for the likes of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Characters.Krypton, and Injustice 2 really need to have the "Species" identifier at the top of character profiles, because that being there implies it's as important as someone's portrayer/debut/etc..

Edited by JRads47 on Aug 19th 2019 at 1:02:42 PM

How am I supposed to know the Joker is insane if he doesn't have a 𝒟𝒶𝓂𝒶𝑔𝑒𝒹 tattoo
Aug 21st 2019 at 12:16:40 PM

Characters.Harry Potter Order Of The Phoenix Members: I was just looking up Mad-Eye Moody and there's already really inconsistent spoiling (besides the spoiler above the description line I deleted, the article zigzags on spoiling his death). Need to make a decision on what to spoil at some point, and probably need to do a once over on the entire series of Harry Potter subpages in the future.

I'm almost done cleaning up the XCOM page in the meantime.


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