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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Administrivia Pages.

Note: This thread is not for asking mods to make one-off edits to Locked Pages, Administrivia-related or otherwise, such as requesting additions to an Example Sectionectomy index. Please use this thread for that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 21st 2023 at 9:12:02 AM

Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#1401: Nov 7th 2021 at 2:07:53 PM

Yeah, rename that page and make the license stuff clearer. Most of us likely don't have law degrees, especially not newer users, so a succinct explanation would e great.

Edited by Piterpicher on Nov 7th 2021 at 11:08:31 AM

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1402: Nov 7th 2021 at 3:17:33 PM

I'm unsure how it could be made any clearer than it is, although I'll accept suggestions. Editing it now; I'll rename later.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1403: Nov 7th 2021 at 3:41:25 PM

About Images and Copyright is already redirected from Administrivia.Copyright and Administrivia.Plagiarism. We could swap it with one of its redirects but I'm not in a mood to clean up the wicks. Maybe later.

I am very curious as to how we could "dumb down" the TLDR on that article any more than it is.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1404: Nov 7th 2021 at 4:37:47 PM

Yo, I didn't know videos couldn't have bugs. Has that always been a thing? Because I don't remember it ever being brought up or enforced.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1405: Nov 7th 2021 at 4:44:06 PM

I think we decided that at one point. I can remove the rule if it's incorrect.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#1406: Nov 7th 2021 at 5:16:21 PM

~Fighteer: what i would do is add explicit mention of licensing and compatibility issues above the first header. as is, the article mentions copyright several times, but licensing is only specifically mentioned at the bottom of the Self-Plagiarism section, which someone might not read if they're wanting to use an author summary or something.

i know copyright and licensing are essentially one and the same, but like i said, ive already seen one instance of someone who didn't get it until it was explicitly explained in terms of license compatibility. since we're trying to idiot-proof the page anyway, it can't hurt to explicitly talk about it.

thanks for popping in, by the way - appreciate your assistance.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1407: Nov 7th 2021 at 6:14:29 PM

The details of licensing are discussed in Welcome to TV Tropes, but I can add a quick note about it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1408: Nov 10th 2021 at 7:10:31 PM

Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work is already clear about the pre-release requirement, but can it be explicit that troping stuff in a Content Leak is not allowed? People keep trying to do it everywhere and it would be good if this was something citeable on an Administrivia page, although Content Leak already mentions it.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 10th 2021 at 9:10:54 AM

N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#1409: Nov 10th 2021 at 8:44:07 PM

I just found Site Policies, which seems to have been abandoned.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1410: Nov 10th 2021 at 10:12:54 PM

Went through the namespace and got a few questions.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#1411: Nov 10th 2021 at 10:55:54 PM

There's a lot to unpack here. My thoughts:

  • Maybe the links are messed up or no-one thought where to add them. Might be worth asking, but the Locked Pages thread has been neglected.
  • In theory, no... Those are pages that don't exist, rather than those that exist and have issues.
  • Neither do I. Maybe it's the most basic sandbox, but could be cutworthy.
  • Might be worth deleting. Unless we need some low-traffic extra sandbox, but there are other sandbox namespaces.
  • Might be worth cutting/merging, considering the three links are redundant with what's programmed elsewhere.
  • I think so. Unlikely we'll get a change with foreign languages or newsletters, and since I don't think we can really make pages with hyphens any longer...
  • Night Vision used to show links as green. Now they're blue. So it's literally a relic of the past (unless it's brought back).

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1412: Nov 10th 2021 at 11:24:25 PM

I miss the green text, it was so cool...

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1413: Nov 10th 2021 at 11:35:24 PM

This does look fun. (Just checking, don't want to go too off-topic)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_7_88.png

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#1415: Nov 16th 2021 at 3:26:02 PM

Yeah, we should change the link.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1416: Nov 16th 2021 at 8:07:43 PM

Since it concerns Administrivia, I'm bringing this post up here. Should that part at Administrivia.Media Categories be changed to '&'?

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#1417: Nov 17th 2021 at 6:22:50 AM

[up] I would say no, and replied in that thread to that effect.

alnair20aug93 🍊orange fursona🧡 from 🐾Furrypines 🇵🇭 (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
🍊orange fursona🧡
#1418: Nov 17th 2021 at 9:26:37 AM

I wish those links like TLP be changed to orange.

ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1419: Nov 17th 2021 at 9:48:42 AM

I still question why Tropes Needing Examples is orange, or why redirects to tech pages are.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1420: Nov 18th 2021 at 10:38:34 AM

~Spark9 asks if This Image Is Not an Example fits more into Administrivia namespace because of its relation with Administrivia.Just A Face And A Caption. I'm not sure, but I also note its similarity with Administrivia.Image Pickin Special Cases. Should TRS decide this?

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#1421: Nov 18th 2021 at 12:37:06 PM

[up] Same for This Index Is Not an Example?

2025: the year it all ends?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1422: Nov 18th 2021 at 3:13:18 PM

[up] I'd like in general to go through the entire Just for Fun subwiki and move all indexed Main pages into JustForFun/, but that's outside of this thread topic.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#1423: Nov 18th 2021 at 8:29:54 PM

Regarding Needs a Redirect, I kind of wonder if it should be merged with Creating New Redirects.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#1424: Nov 19th 2021 at 1:57:57 AM

[up][up] I get the impression that people outside Image Pickin see This Image Is Not an Example as a joke page where you list images that are "humorously wrong", whereas people inside Image Pickin see This Image Is Not an Example as a rule or guideline page to point to as a common argument in threads and discussions.

I guess we could split it into a administrivia "guideline page" and a joke list of "images that some troper finds humorously wrong"?

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#1425: Nov 19th 2021 at 2:35:06 AM

I don't see it as "humorously wrong" so much as just an informative page to clarify that not everything that looks like a trope is a trope in context, and to show that we are aware of that even when the image helps illustrate things. It's not a rule page and I never even saw it as a JAFAAC equivalent. Special Cases shows rules for specific pages which is why it is Administrivia.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 19th 2021 at 5:35:39 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

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