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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Pages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 8:29:04 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Sep 4th 2019 at 10:38:29 AM

I made some tweaks to Zero-Context Example to improve sentence flow, apply consistent use of pronouns, and organize the list from least-to-most in terms of explanation. I also added another "good" example, put in dividing lines, and added Show, Don't Tell to the "See Also" section.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
nombretomado Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States
No-lifer
Sep 6th 2019 at 3:13:31 PM

Also, in my opinion, Flame Bait should also be in the Administrivia namespace. It is a policy page of tropes to avoid mentioning anywhere on the wiki (although it can also refer to anything that can cause a Flame War in general).

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Sep 6th 2019 at 3:13:46 AM

Limpin' with the bizkit.
rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Sep 12th 2019 at 6:52:46 PM

On https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/family_friendly.php, the first "the" shouldn't be capitalized. Also, the part about marking "mature content" should be removed since we no longer have a curtain for mature content, and part of it should be reworded as "We can talk about media which is racy. We just can't be the racy media." to remove awkward parentheses.

Keet cleanup
nombretomado Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Sep 12th 2019 at 7:02:10 PM

I...have never even seen that page.

It also isn't a typical wiki page, so that's not something a mod could edit.

WarJay77 Ugly N' Weak from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ugly N' Weak
Sep 12th 2019 at 7:09:54 PM

It's very strange. Must be a very old holdover from the past.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Sep 13th 2019 at 3:04:32 PM

Pinging ~drewski and ~itcdr since it looks like that page requires an admin to edit it. By the way, Family Friendly redirects there.

Keet cleanup
WarJay77 Ugly N' Weak from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ugly N' Weak
Sep 13th 2019 at 3:17:12 PM

Is it even worth keeping? We can say basically the same thing on No Lewdness, No Prudishness just as easily.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 13th 2019 at 6:17:47 AM

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
Sep 13th 2019 at 3:21:12 PM

To me, the term "Family Friendly" is a farce when we discuss a number of topics that are decided not family-friendly by their very nature. Maybe "safe for work" would be a better term, since young children probably shouldn't be on this website? Otherwise, it's time to send Gag Boobs, Compensating for Something, South Park, and High School Dx D to the Cut List.

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WarJay77 Ugly N' Weak from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ugly N' Weak
Sep 13th 2019 at 3:23:39 PM

That's also true.

This page is probably the most outdated of the outdated. It's like an ancient relic. We're just fine without it, and we could easily make a new, better page.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Sep 13th 2019 at 8:42:24 PM

Should Pages Needing Images and List Of Shows That Need Summary also be moved to Administrivia? I also never liked the latter name; perhaps move it to something like Works Needing Pages?

Keet cleanup
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States
No-lifer
Sep 15th 2019 at 5:39:03 PM

Please put Tropes Are Tools in the Administrivia namespace. It is a policy page that is for some reason in the Main namespace.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
WarJay77 Ugly N' Weak from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ugly N' Weak
Oct 1st 2019 at 12:07:45 AM

Found another page that should be administrivia: Walkthrough Mode

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
WarJay77 Ugly N' Weak from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ugly N' Weak
Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:59:12 PM

Also, A Guide to Easy Launching of Your TLP has this line:

  • Don't hit the launch button until you have the page up. That way, you can avoid the "Blank launch" problem.

This is a holdover from an older time and should be removed.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
nombretomado Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 2nd 2019 at 4:24:54 PM

Moved those pages to Administrivia, except for Walkthrough Mode, which seems to be serving a similar purpose to Wall of Text.

Just a reminder that I have this thread pinned, but am not necessarily going to be staying on top of stuff.

Oct 3rd 2019 at 7:44:44 AM

So, should we repoint all the Main.Tropes Are Tools redirects to the Administrivia version?

Or make Administrivia versions of them or something?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/TropesAreTools

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
Oct 3rd 2019 at 12:45:38 PM

I'd say make Administrivia duplicates of them and then point them all to Administrivia.Tropes Are Tools to maintain any old links makes on the forums and such.

Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Oct 3rd 2019 at 12:53:44 PM

I changed Tropes Are Not Bad and Tropes Are Not Good to redirect to Administrivia; the others have no wicks, and I don't see the need to create Administrivia duplicate redirects.

Keet cleanup
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States
No-lifer
Oct 9th 2019 at 8:50:11 PM

Doesn't anyone think Pot Hole should be more descriptive with when they are and aren't necessary?

Limpin' with the bizkit.
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Oct 12th 2019 at 3:12:49 PM

I think Wick is outdated because I don't beleive we consider numbers as low as 14 to be "minimum health" anymore.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Oct 12th 2019 at 4:02:51 PM

[up] - What do you suggest?

Change the minimum to a certain fraction of a percent of the number of catalogued works?


Change it to the nice round number of 20?

Edited by Malady on Oct 12th 2019 at 4:04:00 AM

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Oct 18th 2019 at 12:24:12 PM

On How to Pick a Good Image, aren't all images supposed to be on the right side now?

  • Pages with quotes should have the image on the right side (you can learn how to do this on Text Formatting Rules).
  • If the image is rather tall, move it to the right as well.

Keet cleanup
Oct 18th 2019 at 4:24:10 PM

Subjective Tropes seems to be outdated, since there are such things as actual tropes (not Audience Reactions) which go on a work's YMMV page. For example, Complete Monster and The Woobie.

If it were up to me, I'd find a way to make these tropes objective, but as it stands it's incorrect to say "A trope is either objectively there or it is not there".


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