Outdated Administrivia Pages

You Know You Read Too Much TV Tropes When... appears to be very outdated. For starters:

• Mention of the now-defunct "Wallbanger"
• Referring to TLP as its former name, YKTTW.

I haven't gotten through the entire list, but those stand out. Sure, it's JFF, but it could use an update.

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 28th 2021 at 10:50:48 AM

That's another one of those things that makes me want a cleanup thread for TVT-related Fun Pages. Very specific, yes, but pretty much all of them have problems one way or another, but none of them are administrivia which is our primary focus here.

I agree with repairing TV Tropes-related Just for Fun pages in a separate thread.

The "You Could Always Edit It Yourself" section of Repair, Don't Respond is, I think, a distinct enough concept to be split to its own page. That would take the Be Bold and So Fix It redirects with it. (Also probably those should be namespaced?) okay they are, it's only You Could Always Edit It Yourself that's in main?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Mar 12th 2021 at 10:06:23 AM

Starting to wonder if There's No Such Thing as Notability needs a clearer title. It feels weird to call out one of the cornerstones of the wiki's philosophies, but I keep seeing it misused as saying that literally anything is notable, when the rule only applies to works. Namespaces, examples, opinions, you name it.

Every Work Is Notable?

All Works Allowed?

Well definitely not All Works Allowed, there's definitely works we don't allow. Just not because of notability.

The first header on There Is No Such Thing as Notability is "All works are notable". So how about All Works Are Notable?

Re: "You Could Always Edit It Yourself":

Can't that just be a redirect to This Is a Wiki, which started out as a section of Repair, Don't Respond?

It could, yeah.

Should "This Is a Wiki" be removed from the list of alternate phrasings at the top of Repair, Don't Respond, since it has its own page? There's already a wick to the latter on the former.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

Done.

Edit: I think it's worth noting that Septimus updated Main.Trivia to reflect the fact that Trivia additions and removals need to go through TRS instead of the now-closed Trivia thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 20th 2021 at 5:58:18 AM

Is Sandbox.How To Create A Disambiguation Page ready to launch?

I'm still waiting for an answer on How To Create And Launch TLP Drafts, personally...

FWIW, I wish that had been in place when I was looking into starting Faint in Shock - All neat and in order. Personally, I think it's good.

It was in place, actually. It's been in a sandbox state for months.

I don't see the point in launching How to Create a Disambiguation Page - disambiguation pages are not so complicated that they need instructions, and most people who create them already know how to do so.

What's the relationship between How To Create And Launch TLP Drafts and TLP Guidelines? Having more than one Administrivia page for the same thing is a bad thing.

I've explained it before the last time this was asked, though I don't remember if you were the mod who asked it. This page is the result of a split after we rewrote TLP Guidelines. The TLP Guidelines page are the general rules and regulations for contributing to the TLP. "Create and Launch" is more for explaining the actual process of creating a draft and getting it ready to go. Having them all on the same page made the page a lot longer, a lot less focused, and it wasn't as easy to go into detail. Plus, the sandbox is already seeing use despite not actually being published. People are sharing it as an actual guide page for TLP newbies.

If anything, this page is the analogue to the now-cut A Guide to Easy Launching of Your TLP, which we turned into a redirect for being woefully outdated and poorly written.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 26th 2021 at 4:08:41 AM

x3 Ahh... So I did end up benefiting from it. (I tend to have a very severe case of "Source Amnesia") I do remember bouncing through several different pages, trying to make sense of what would be the best approach.

re: How To Create And Launch TLP Drafts, I mentioned it before, but the section "You Must Indicate Intent to Launch At Least 24 Hours Before Launching" could really use some elaboration on how to indicate intent. We had someone asking that recently, though I don't recall where.

TLP Guidelines also has a section, "Don't Launch Any Draft Without Notice"; I wonder if it should also explain how there? Or maybe just adding a link to the "How To Create And Launch" page in that section would do. Like "For how to indicate intent, see so-and-so section on this page."

I post a notice in the draft title (obviously removed before launch), laconic (thought about putting it only there, but that received negative feedback), and in the comments. It usually reads something like "Launching on Saturday". Some may see that as overkill and likely only see the first and third method as needed, but whatever.

Edited by Piterpicher on Mar 26th 2021 at 7:42:07 PM

That was on ATT. Asker thought that that they needed to post a notice 24 hrs before starting the TLP.

This probably is exacerbated because the button to start a new draft says: "Launch a new Trope"

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Mar 26th 2021 at 1:56:52 PM

Thoughts on Preemptive Launch? I know it's supposedly a "TV Tropes wiki trope" and it is listed on Wiki Tropes, but it feels more like misplaced Administrivia/ and doesn't look useful, because if anything, a launch is the last thing you should do when it's clear the discussion is going sour. Cut?

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 7th 2021 at 9:43:25 PM

Hoo, yeah, that's no good.