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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Pages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 8:29:04 AM

WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:11:23 PM

Right. I remembered discussing the sandbox but forgot it existed. Let's see if we can get the OP pinned, then I'll add the sandbox link.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:27:06 PM

Sure thing.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:29:34 PM

Alright, I gave it a pinned-thread worthy overhaul because the original OP was just me complaining about specific pages.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 21st 2020 at 6:00:58 PM

Forgive the triple post [lol] But I just realized we might need a page for explaining the notifier system and what notifiers currently exist. A recurring issue on ATT is for people to not understand what they are or how they work, and a page to explain the process and maybe to list the existing notifiers might be a good idea.

If this should be taken to a new "Administrivia Drafting" thread, I'm willing to do so.

[up] [nja]'d, no longer triple-posting [lol]

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 9:01:19 AM

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
wingedcatgirl These memories are MINE. from You should know.
These memories are MINE.
Nov 21st 2020 at 7:56:49 PM

Namespace links to Home Pages as the source for namespaces in other languages.

However, this just redirects to the home page.

Where are these listed nowadays?

Sylvi& | it/they/she | plural trans catgirl | discords link temporarily offline
LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
Maintenance?
Nov 22nd 2020 at 12:35:28 AM

I had an idea of creating a crowner for moving pages to Administrivia where appropriate, like what we've got at the Trivia and No Real Life Examples, Please! cleanup. It would help us formalize the decisions and keep tabs on what needs to be moved.

EDIT: I get the impression that TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life needs to be moved out of mainspace, but where should it go?

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Nov 22nd 2020 at 2:47:05 PM

NRLEP candidates * ColorTropesCleanup
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Nov 22nd 2020 at 1:07:59 AM

I think that moving pages to Administrivia/ is a little too nuanced a decision to be made by crowner. It also isn't a thing that needs to be speedy, either.

As for TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life, actually, I think it needs to stay. It's a documented phenomenon (I've seen it mentioned on the Wikipedia page about us) and thus akin to other web tropes like Flame War. As part of the Definition-Only Pages TRS I was planning to have a more general discussion about web tropes that it could be folded into.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Piterpicher from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Nov 22nd 2020 at 1:08:00 AM

I don't think we need such a crowner, people tend to agree unanimously whether a page needs to be moved or not (and so far, I've seen mostly cases where they do agree). As for keeping tabs of moves needed, that's probably better as Sandbox.Outdated Pages' job.

As for TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life, sorry, but I don't know where it'd be moved. It's not listed on Administrivia nor Just For Fun (though the page type is "Fun"), so it seems hard to judge what it'd fit, as the indexes suggest it's more of An Aesop-based trope.

It's the final year of school (then I plan to take a gap year) and exams are looking on the horizon, so I may not be as active.
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 22nd 2020 at 12:37:57 PM

I previously mentioned that I was considering skimming previous pages to see if I did in fact post about Examples Searching for a Trope; it exists, despite being post 404.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 22nd 2020 at 2:38:54 PM

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Nov 22nd 2020 at 4:15:06 PM If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.
WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 22nd 2020 at 4:40:15 PM

Late, but ~naturalironist asked if Name That Unfolds Like A Lotus Blossom has too many wicks to be obscure; I personally don't think it does.

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
Nov 22nd 2020 at 4:47:58 PM

[up]Was that for the Trope Report thread?

Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 22nd 2020 at 4:48:48 AM

English Localization Cleanup and Appearance Tropes Cleanup
WarJay77 Palindromeon from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Palindromeon
Nov 22nd 2020 at 4:50:10 PM

...Yes. Yes it was. [lol]

We didn't start the drama, it was always goin' since this site's been rollin' ~
LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
Maintenance?
Nov 25th 2020 at 1:55:12 PM

Trope Decay should be Administrivia. It is where the usage of a trope shifts toward a persistent, incorrect definition.

NRLEP candidates * ColorTropesCleanup
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Nov 25th 2020 at 2:31:56 PM

It's already been page typed as Administrivia, so that makes sense. Is there anything about the description that needs updating?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 26th 2020 at 5:50:55 PM

Should Main.Image Pickin be moved to Administrivia.Image Pickin, since Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop is already in that namespace?

If we move the page and there are hard-coded links to Main.Image Pickin, we can leave it as a redirect, similarly to what was done with Main.Word Cruft and Main.Edit War.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 26th 2020 at 7:51:45 AM

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wingedcatgirl These memories are MINE. from You should know.
These memories are MINE.
Nov 30th 2020 at 8:10:28 AM

What the fuck is the deal with Main.Camel Case and Administrivia.Camel Case?

Sylvi& | it/they/she | plural trans catgirl | discords link temporarily offline
MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
Nov 30th 2020 at 8:12:25 AM

Well Main.Camel Case looks like it's supposed to be a trope...although Administrivia.Camel Case also collects examples so...

Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 30th 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

English Localization Cleanup and Appearance Tropes Cleanup
Nov 30th 2020 at 8:12:59 AM

[up] - Well, Main.Camel Case has only 56 edits in its history, if you wanna look...

While Administrivia only has 12...

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
wingedcatgirl These memories are MINE. from You should know.
These memories are MINE.
Nov 30th 2020 at 8:18:37 AM

I would venture that CamelCase isn't really a trope. That said, I'm not at all sure why there's two functionally-identical pages with completely different content in both Main/ and Administrivia/.

Sylvi& | it/they/she | plural trans catgirl | discords link temporarily offline
MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
Nov 30th 2020 at 8:22:36 AM

Yeah, not really a trope. Looks like a misplaced Just For Fun page. Either way, I don't think Main.Camel Case should be left as is obviously.

English Localization Cleanup and Appearance Tropes Cleanup
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Dec 2nd 2020 at 3:41:11 PM

Main.Camel Case might be worth turning into a Definition Only Page, regardless of which namespace it's in; I'm not really sure, so this is just a comment and not a vote. I don't think Just For Fun sounds right, since it's common with non-joke things (particularly with technology; Wiki Words and Apple devices and software come to mind).

I suppose there's precedent for moving general terminology to Administrivia, since Main.Edit War was moved to Administrivia.Edit War since it focused on TV Tropes edit wars more so than edit wars on other wikis.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2020 at 5:42:54 AM

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