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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Pages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 8:29:04 AM

MacronNotes She/her from In my bed Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
She/her
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:44:05 AM

I thought it was there so that people can keep track of what they suggested to see if someone created it yet but yeah it doesn’t have that much of a purpose

English Localization Cleanup and Appearance Tropes Cleanup
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:50:58 AM

Apparently the Deleted Wicks Checker from Itty Bitty Wiki Tools doesn't exist any more.

Should we remove it, or leave it in case it gets restored, or strikeout over it for historical reasons?

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
Piterpicher from Poland, for real Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Nov 19th 2020 at 5:57:01 AM

I think it should be commented out, in case it comes back someday.

Edited by Piterpicher on Nov 19th 2020 at 2:57:42 PM

It's the final year of school (then I plan to take a gap year) and exams are looking on the horizon, so I may not be as active.
mightymewtron Agnostic angel from sout park Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Agnostic angel
Nov 19th 2020 at 8:13:56 AM

Is the entry on Locked Pages for This Troper outdated now that This Troper redirects to First-Person Writing, which is not locked? (Unlike other renamed pages like It Got Worse, it's not in past tense either.)

On another note, I think What Goes Where on the Wiki should mention under Trivia how Trivia items go on Creator/ pages, not on a separate Trivia subpage - that is mentioned under Creator Page Guidelines but gets overlooked a lot.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 19th 2020 at 4:54:21 AM

I run the Nostalgia Critic cleanup so you don't have to!
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 19th 2020 at 2:39:48 PM

This ATT query discusses the lack of a policy page on gushing, and as I said in that thread, I think it would be useful to split policy information on gushing into Administrivia.Gushing About Shows You Like while keeping the actual gushing on SugarWiki.Gushing About Shows You Like (since gushing is allowed on Sugar Wiki).

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:27:03 AM

I admit, I am not particularly convinced that it is necessary or useful. Based on the well-known problems that TLP has, it certainly seems in order to ask whether any policy page there would help. It's also a rather niche issue with a side order of recentism.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:28:12 AM

It's not TLP specific, though?

And I wouldn't call it a niche issue, it happens all the time, on ATT and the forums just as much as it does TLP.

Edit: You may have been reading the wrong sandbox. We'd be using Sandbox.Popcorn Posting 2, not Sandbox.No Popcorn Posting.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 21st 2020 at 4:30:58 AM

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SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:34:05 AM

It's not common in the forums (and forum issues are normally documented in the forum rules thread, not on the wiki) and I am not convinced it'd help much elsewhere. Also, not for the first time I am questioning whether these proposals should be put in a thread titled "Outdated Pages".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:37:03 AM

This thread's title might be itself outdated; it's become a drafting space just as much as an updating space. I wouldn't mind a new thread for drafting, but it's the best place we have right now to discuss administrivia stuff.

And while it may be less common in the forums, it still happens, and "popcorning" is already against the rules- this would just give us a page we can cite.

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 8:01:49 AM

I've seen at least one case of a mod telling people to cut out popcorn posting on ATT while calling it by that name (I don't remember which thread, but the mod who said that was nombretomado, who hadn't resigned yet).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 10:02:30 AM

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Nov 21st 2020 at 8:17:20 AM

We don't need an article for every term we use to describe wiki behavior. We can add them to the TV Tropes Glossary. And done.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 11:20:44 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 10:56:49 AM

[up]Should Gushing be added there as well, rather than having the policy information moved to a separate page? (I just saw that SugarWiki.Gushing already exists as a redirect to mirror Administrivia.Complaining redirecting to Administrivia.Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, so we already have a one-word wick to link to.)

Since Complaining About Shows You Don't Like is on Predefined Messages, should Gushing About Shows You Like be on there as well?

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:02:31 AM

Eh, I liked the writeup I did for the Popcorn Posting page too much to be fully satisfied, but this works too.

I think now we should try and get back to actual page-updating, and maybe make a new thread for the page drafting.

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:35:17 AM

Is "Grave Dancing" a term that can be added to TV Tropes Glossary, or is it not wiki-specific enough?

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Nov 21st 2020 at 11:35:35 AM

If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:48:43 AM

[up]I feel like I've seen that term used more often than popcorn posting, so I think it should be added.

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 12:05:36 PM

[up]I'm aware, but it's still used often here. If stuff on the Glossary needs to be TV Tropes-specific, then never mind.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 2:06:17 PM

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Lost in Space
Nov 21st 2020 at 4:45:38 PM

There's no reason it can't, except that I don't want to waste people's time defining terms they already know. If there's a specific TV Tropes aspect to it, then sure.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:03:40 PM

There are a couple of pages that came up a while back whose discussion is a better fit for a thread titled Outdated Pages than discussion about new Administrivia pages. I think I may have already brought them up in this thread (I'm incredibly tired at the moment, so I'm not entirely sure), but I don't think discussion went very far (if it went anywhere at all).

Do we need Examples Searching for a Trope when Trope Finder serves the same purpose with better organization, and what's the point of Quotes.Quotes Looking For An Article?

Edit: I might Ctrl+F on previous pages at some point to see what I previously said (because it was probably more articulate), but I don't currently feel up to it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 7:08:20 AM

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
ccorb She/her or They/them from the Sol Dimension Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
She/her or They/them
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:05:57 PM

[up] Quotes Looking for an Article is where you can put interesting quotes that could be used in an article, but currently aren't.

Looking forward to perhaps my first CM EP soon
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:07:10 PM

[up]In that case, adding a description saying that would help (since there currently isn't any description at all).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 7:07:33 AM

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:07:42 PM

Wondering if we want to make a sandbox to keep track of everything we need to do here.

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ccorb She/her or They/them from the Sol Dimension Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
She/her or They/them
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:08:42 PM

Did so a while back. Sandbox.Outdated Pages.

Looking forward to perhaps my first CM EP soon
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Nov 21st 2020 at 5:09:06 PM

[up][up]Sandbox.Outdated Pages already exists. Adding it to the opening post and pinning the opening post would help.

Edit: Ninja'd with the first sentence of this post.

Edit: Also, an alternative to cutting or archiving Examples Searching for a Trope would be to turn it into a redirect for the Trope Finder page (which is a wiki page, unlike Main.Ask The Tropers).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 7:13:02 AM

"I'll be waiting on the road! It's a 10 million fine if you're late!" —Barry, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl

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