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I concur, the article on Walkthrough Mode is simply an extension of "Don't natter". It seems be a grey area on the wiki because I've spoken about it on ATT and people seemed unsure how to proceed.

Walkthrough Mode is a specific subset of Natter when people start telling each other how to get through games in trope examples. It typically takes the form of someone putting in an example for That One Boss, or a similar trope, and someone else replying with a strategy for beating the boss.

There used to be a redirect or at least a common admonition, "We are not GameFAQs", that meant the same thing.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 25th 2020 at 3:18:49 PM

Also add Adam Smith Hates Your Guts and Karl Marx Hates Your Guts to Walkthrough Mode. I've seen natter for both of them on pages such as Neopets on how to buy items/get in-game currency.

There was one, at We Are Not Game FA Qs. I am not sure why it was shifted to Administrivia.We Are Not Game FA Qs, that was some supremely pointless move.

It's not pointless, it was done to be consistent with the Walkthrough Mode page which was now Administrivia/, which in itself was moved to make sure it's policy. I'm fine with where it is and what it is right now.

Maybe we should clear the air on whether my edits are natter. It's me talking to myself.

Some of the edits were scrubbed but I believe the rest are unchanged.

To be clear, they do constitute Natter. Readers won't know that the person who wrote the example isn't multiple people going back and forth. All they'd know is that the example reads like a conversation, which is natter.

Adding natter to your own entries is in some ways worse than adding it to other people's.

Okay. This leads to a potentially larger issue. Some of these tropes are ripe for Walkthrough Mode. They include, but are not limited to:

• Awesome, yet Impractical
• Boring, but Practical
• Crippling Overspecialization
• Crutch Character
• Difficult, but Awesome
• Elite Tweak
• Overrated and Underleveled
• Power Up Letdown
• Useless Useful Spell

Unless these can be generalised in some way, they should be flagged as Subjective so that tropers know not to go into that much detail. Then they can be moved to YMMV or the relevant trope pages.

I'm not sure if this discussion goes here (it's a big wiki). I invite others to share this elsewhere.

Edited by taylorswiftscat on Aug 25th 2020 at 2:42:45 AM

Useless Useful Spell has pretty good criteria on its page.

If you want precise numbers and stuff, I'm happy to chat about it.

My concern isn't trope misuse. This is causing headaches for a handful of editors, so it would be prudent to avoid this happening again. Subjectivity is the issue.

Edited by taylorswiftscat on Aug 25th 2020 at 2:42:31 AM

Not numbers like in Wick check...

I mean, like a Useless Useful Spell would be a One-Hit Kill-spell that costs 50 MP, but taking any enemy out regularly, is only 5 MP of healing needed after.

Yes, I know.

Does Red Paint Argument warrant a page? It doesn't come up super often in IP, but whenever it does, anyone that isn't already familiar with it usually needs it explained. It's not a term that's immediately understandable.

I'm game. I remember being really confused when I first heard it.

That said, it is on Tv Tropes Glossary.

Yeah, but there are lots of items on that list that have their own pages, so I don't think that should preclude it.

I'd be fine with that, since it does seem like a concept that may be good to know. Though the amount of new threads that seem based on such reasoning does seem like it was high before I left.

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 26th 2020 at 9:18:04 PM

I didn't know we had that term in the glossary, so a dedicated page would be nice to have. I'd imagine the reason it isn't brought up often, and needs to be explained when it does come up, is because it's less well known than IP terms that do have their own pages.

Edit: It doesn't appear to be mentioned in the pinned policy thread (at least by name; I did a Ctrl+F for "red paint" because I don't currently feel like going through the whole post).

Edit: Oh, and I agree with what Primis said about how the term being listed on the TV Tropes Glossary doesn't mean we can't give it its own page. As I said, I didn't know it was even on there, the Image Pickin' policy thread doesn't mention the term, and I don't recall seeing the term in the wild (though I'm more active on TRS than IP).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2020 at 8:31:59 AM

Wrote up a draft for "Red Paint" Argument, how's it look?

I can't think of anything substantial, but I think it should mention Image Pickin in the part that references suggesting an image with blood in it, since the argument and references to it primarily come up on IP.

Now that I think of it, it should probably mention arguments involving name suggestions in TRS rename threads, as in arguments that a suggestion for a new name is bad based on the idea that people will misinterpret it in a way that probably wouldn't happen (an example I thought of is arguing that Idiot Programming could be minsterpreted as referring to writing code for idiotic game characters).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2020 at 12:57:04 PM

Added a line referring to IP and TRS.

Edited by Primis on Aug 27th 2020 at 4:37:54 AM

Should somebody update What Goes Where on the Forums? It mentions the fetish thread which (of course) isn't there anymore, and the MIT Duck Soup thread which is now gone.

Yeah, probably.

We have once again received an ATT query confused about NamespaceGoesHere.Title Goes Here, so does anyone have any further input/opinions on my previous suggestions regarding it and How to Create a Work's Page?

The idea of the note on the page itself might be redundant if we update How to Create a Work's Page.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Aug 29th 2020 at 1:08:44 AM