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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1376: Jul 5th 2024 at 3:51:27 AM

It seems its a Bait-and-Switch given Hughie's scene is not treated very seriously.

Then he breaks down crying afterward.

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#1377: Jul 5th 2024 at 12:28:42 PM

Admittedly like other reactors I saw, I just saw it as typical gross The Boys dark comedy and didn't see it as sexual assault at all and was surprised by the breakdown at the end, especially since Hughie was fittingly delivering some funny Peter Parker-worthy quips during the whole ordeal (and consented to it to keep up the charade). Is there a trope for "sussy imposter spy has to play along doing highly undesirable things to keep up disguise"?

Edited by Moekou on Jul 5th 2024 at 12:32:19 PM

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#1378: Jul 5th 2024 at 12:54:34 PM

Though I though as Kripke said it was meant to be funny.

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#1379: Jul 5th 2024 at 12:57:00 PM

Is it supposed to be shock comedy? Like that one scene with the Panda in Simpsons? Or a number of Family Guy gags?

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1380: Jul 5th 2024 at 1:34:55 PM

This scene's really not that big of an aberration from the show's typical comedy. The first or 2nd episode had the Wasp doing a swan dive into someone's sphincter.

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#1381: Jul 5th 2024 at 1:59:55 PM

Yeah, I wasn’t bothered by the Crosses the Line Twice aspects of this episode. I grew up with the classic Adult Swim Black Comedy lineup (Metalocalypse, Venture Bros, Superjail, classic Family Guy, etc), so I’m used to much worse.

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#1382: Jul 5th 2024 at 2:20:49 PM

I think people are more bothered by how in season 1 he talked about how they had to treat star lights assualt with care and dignity. Than this. Which makes him look really Performative.

It's probably why this has blown up across the internet

Edited by miraculous on Jul 5th 2024 at 2:21:46 AM

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#1383: Jul 5th 2024 at 2:55:21 PM

I think a chunk of it is the whiplash people are getting from having the ending scene seemingly treat what happened seriously and traumatising then finding out that the people behind it found the whole hilarious and treated it as a big joke.

Edited by Silasw on Jul 6th 2024 at 11:23:44 AM

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#1384: Jul 5th 2024 at 3:06:18 PM

The interview is what ruins the scene.

On its own Hughie's breakdown indicates you are supposed to take it seriously, but Kripke ruins it by revealing that no it is supposed to be a joke which makes him look like a huge jackass.

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#1385: Jul 5th 2024 at 3:59:50 PM

Hughie's breakdown could've waited until the next episode.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1386: Jul 5th 2024 at 4:10:33 PM

Agreed,

I assumed it was a twist but no, Kripke doesn't think it's a serious sexual assault.

Like Robert Jordan who thought Mat getting raped at knife point was hilarious.

Or what they did to Jason Stackhouse.

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#1387: Jul 5th 2024 at 7:39:44 PM

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#1388: Jul 5th 2024 at 7:56:43 PM

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#1389: Jul 6th 2024 at 4:17:47 PM

While I more than understand being bothered by this episode, I strongly disagree with how many are now claiming the show is as bad or worse than the comics.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 6th 2024 at 12:20:44 PM

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#1390: Jul 6th 2024 at 4:45:52 PM

Seasonal Rot is possible. The issue is that Kripke's interview just makes it even worse.

It makes the treatment of female sexual assault earlier in the series just seem more performative in hindsight.

At least with Garth Ennis's version, he saw no reason to be performative even as he wrote a series to be as shocking as possible at its detriment.

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#1391: Jul 6th 2024 at 5:47:59 PM

I'm sort of confused, because Kripke's comments are super fucked up, but the in-universe reaction doesn't really line up with it being funny? Like, everyone (including his own butler) fucking hates Tek Knight, and Annie takes it incredibly seriously. Hughie is clearly pretty impacted by it. I've lost a lot of respect for Kripke, but I'm holding out on losing all respect for the show until we see whether this storyline is just going to be dropped like he implied.

On another subject: A-Train is fucked, isn't he? That kid is definitely going to snitch on him.

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#1392: Jul 6th 2024 at 8:31:32 PM

The thing is people are hung on Kripke's statement about the episode rather than the episode itself. There's a lot of drama on the subreddit now calling The Boys hypocritical and Season 4's first half boring and "as bad as the comics."

I doubt the writers of this show deep down in their heavily leftist progressive bones view male sexual assault as hilarious, but that's what Kripke put out there.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 6th 2024 at 11:31:55 AM

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#1393: Jul 6th 2024 at 10:16:03 PM

His statement definitely seems incongruous with what actually happens in the end of the episode.

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#1394: Jul 7th 2024 at 1:31:53 AM

Kudos to The Boys for coming up with a relatively fresh take on a Batman spoof .

The BDSM angle and Republican Fantasy well are heavily done, but it was brilliant to tie Batman's connection to the caracel system to what "Old Money" usually got up to in the US.

> Cw: S.A. Edit: super uncool of Kripke to have that take on the assault in this episode. It reminds me of how Grant Morrison said Talia didn't rape Bruce but said she drugged him to make him more pliable (as if that wasn't rape.)

Edited by NotGrantMorrison on Jul 7th 2024 at 1:47:48 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1395: Jul 7th 2024 at 6:00:52 AM

Grant Morrison added the drugging in the first place when the original scene was completely consensual and they were married.

So that's even more insane because he's the one who made Talia a rapist.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 7th 2024 at 6:01:31 AM

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#1396: Jul 7th 2024 at 7:43:10 AM

I think what bothers me most about Tek-Knight this episode is just what a one dimensional Hate Sink he is: brags about his ancestors being slave catchers in front of A-Train, has his surrogate father as his cum-residue cleaning slave (btw, discount-Alfred: How did you raise this kid to be such a racist, entitled, shitbag?), is physically in pain at the thought of giving to charity, etc… Every single sentence he has is about how bad he is.

One of the things I liked about season 1 was that while The Seven were all pretty evil, there was some level of human depth to them beyond that. There were scenes and character interactions that reminded you they were actual people and not just monsters. Maybe that’s an unfair comparison because Tek-Knight is a minor character compared even to Translucent or Lamplighter, but I dunno, if this was the quality of parody the show had back then I don’t think I would have stuck around this long.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jul 7th 2024 at 9:50:41 AM

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#1397: Jul 7th 2024 at 8:10:41 AM

It’s weird because Tek Knight here felt different from how Gen V used him. There, the focus was on how he was a brilliant detective who had way too intense methods and was clearly sleazy, had perverse habits, and was doing his job for attention, but would come to the correct conclusion anyway. He was a grey character, one who did horrible things and got people killed, but not clearly evil. Then he reappears here and his sexual deviancy is the main part of his character.

In general, it feels like this season has been focusing too much on fucking over the main characters. Doesn’t feel like they have achieved much of anything so far.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Jul 7th 2024 at 11:15:03 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1398: Jul 7th 2024 at 9:30:17 AM

GEN V is something I get the impression was forced on Kripke by Amazon and he clearly didn't think it would be the massive hit it was. As such, they included the characters in only the most perfunctory ways and not really concerned too much with their characterization.

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#1399: Jul 7th 2024 at 9:38:05 AM

Tek Knight definitely feels like a different character than he was in Gen V. He's definitely also a hate sink, but I feel like that's not a new thing for the show? There was nothing likeable about Stormfront, Blue Hawk or Ezekiel.

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#1400: Jul 7th 2024 at 10:14:52 AM

That’s probably fair. I guess Tek-Knight feels more egregious because he’s a parody of a notable superhero as opposed to policing (Blue Hawk) or religious fundamentalism (Ezekiel). That and the fact that, as I understand it, comic!Tek-Knight was actually heroic.

IIRC Stormfront had a few scenes where she mourned Frederick Vought and showed Even Evil Has Loved Ones. It’s not a lot, but it’s something.


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