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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#251: Oct 25th 2020 at 2:10:39 AM

A lot of the issues and problems caused by the Seven are due to their corporate origins and background. They are made to order and packaged, managed and controlled (to a certain extent) by Vought. Homelander would most likely always have ended up as a sociopathic asshole given his background, just not a super powered one.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#252: Oct 25th 2020 at 6:58:02 AM

[up] Though his superpowers are what makes him pretty much untouchable - the reason why the FBI doesn't want to go after him despite knowing what he is and did is because they literally can't.

He'd just fly away or just cut everyone apprehending him into pieces with his laser eyes.

If he were just some corporate arsehole, a nation-level scandal like the ones Vought keeps getting entangled in would pretty much end his career.

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#253: Oct 27th 2020 at 7:01:27 AM

Would someone explain the physics involved in lifting a plane? Was Homelander's assessment correct? Narratively it's supposed to make him more of a selfish dick, and it's a horrific subversion of Superman's usual opening act, but... Superman always does this no problem.

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caivu Since: Sep, 2014
#254: Oct 27th 2020 at 7:33:31 AM

[up] I don't know the specifics of the scene, but I do know that lifting a plane like Superman does would in reality be concentrating all of that force on an area the size of two hands at most, a few square inches. It would puncture the plane.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#255: Oct 27th 2020 at 7:36:03 AM

There are ways to mitigate it, the most obvious being having him lift something to disperse the force across the wide area. For instance, a separate plane lifting him lifting a flat surface for the plane. You disperse the force and are able to control the plane, presumably to the nearest landmass.

The scene is supposed to show that going in half cocked doesn’t work and Homelander is too impulsive and too narrow minded to think outside the box.

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 27th 2020 at 10:36:25 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#256: Oct 27th 2020 at 7:37:55 AM

If I recall correctly, in the comic he does actually try to prevent the plane from crashing - which ends up destroying the plane anyway.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#257: Oct 27th 2020 at 8:35:16 AM

"Superman does it no problem"...

Is not really an argument.

Granted the show only does "realistic superpowers" when it wants, which is still most of the time.

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#258: Oct 27th 2020 at 10:49:31 AM

Ignore this.

Edited by DeadlyAssassin on Oct 27th 2020 at 7:50:57 PM

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#259: Oct 27th 2020 at 11:29:40 AM

A lot of things can go wrong, but its not impossible. The key to these physics problems is more about matching momentum and then properly decelerating while also selecting the best location to deal with the stress, than the pressure from a small object being forced onto a larger object. That's why tugboats can maneuver giant ocean tankers. The fact the controls to the plane itself were destroyed, how high up and far away they were from ground (over the ocean no less) means a safe landing with Homelander's established power set was unlikely regardless.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#260: Oct 27th 2020 at 4:57:31 PM

He probably could have saved the plane if he'd put genuine thought and effort into it but that's not really Homelander's MO unless he personally has something to actively gain from it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#261: Oct 27th 2020 at 5:06:36 PM

Boy. Think how things would have played out if there hadn't been one more terrorist huh?

Then again, at least they were screwed by things they couldn't have seen coming.

We all know how it went in the original version. They were just horrifically incompetent.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#262: Oct 28th 2020 at 3:37:18 AM

At the very least he could have saved a few people, like Maeve tried to convince him to.

Edited by Xopher001 on Oct 28th 2020 at 12:38:29 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#263: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:00:44 AM

Yeah. At the very least, making the attempt could have helped a lot.

Maybe if they had a few more flyers as well.

Heck, he could have tried to slow down the plane and then actually had the deep help save anyone who survived. But that would require actually respecting the Deep, which is kinda impossible.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#264: Oct 28th 2020 at 11:26:46 AM

Yeah, in a situation with the Justice League they may have had more people on hand to take care of things even if it was too big an issue for Superman to handle. The whole situation was basically to show that superheroes are not all powerful, but also show that Homelander is constantly thinking about PR response. With his speech to the media afterwards you can assume he was formulating that spin as soon as he decided to not save anyone.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#265: Oct 28th 2020 at 11:38:25 AM

IIRC, Vought sent Homelander and Maeve there in the first place because they wanted good PR for the project of putting supers in the military. The project of saving the plane is even chosen because it's currently over international waters and thus couldn't be construed as the US using superhumans to interfere in foreign affairs.

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#267: Mar 12th 2021 at 5:31:24 AM

Jaz Sinclair cast as the lead in the spinoff series[1]

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#268: Mar 27th 2021 at 12:10:35 AM

The Boys TV Series Casts Little Nina to Shake Things Up

Deadline and other outlets report that Swedish actress Katia Winter will join The Boys season three. She’s actually has already appeared in one comic book TV series, playing the Viking Freydis Eriksdottir in a pair of Legends of Tomorrow episodes, but she also had recurring roles as Ichabod Crane’s less-than-loving wife in Sleepy Hollow.

In The Boys, Winter will play a rather infamous character from the original comic by Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson: Little Nina, a diminutive Russian mob boss who has a fascination with vibrators. She’d been working with Vought to engineer a coup in Moscow with a mass of supes she created—using Compound V of course—as an army. I won’t spoil what happens to her, but rest assured it is extremely The Boys-ish and will almost certainly be depicted with total accuracy in the show (click here if you desperately want to know, but it’s quite the spoiler).

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#269: May 10th 2021 at 3:08:20 PM

So I'm finally watching the show and... liking it a lot more than I expected, honestly. I was really worried it was going to be "deconstruction by way of 'what if every single person was a complete asshole, isn't that grimdark and so reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll?!?!'" but rather than trying that shallow, tired, and not-really-a-deconstruction route it does feel like more of a satire of corporate culture, celebrities, and the MCU/DCEU which is... pretty fun.

And also the story itself is surprisingly gripping. I'm still fairly certain the comic would have been exactly what I dreaded but I'm really liking this.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#270: May 11th 2021 at 2:37:15 PM

what if every single person was a complete asshole, isn't that grimdark and so reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll?!?!

Oh that's the comic version. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#271: May 11th 2021 at 3:11:15 PM

Can confirm that is the comic version.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#272: May 11th 2021 at 3:15:28 PM

It is profoundly grotesque.

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VengefulBale Pythor from Dark Bale's Base Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#273: May 11th 2021 at 3:20:01 PM

Pretty much, yeah. Even the "heroes" (The Boys) are hardly heroic, only slightly less unhinged than the heroes (and Butcher's barely different at all from many of the supers he opposes to boot in terms of moral issues)

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#274: May 11th 2021 at 3:27:01 PM

The show impressively manages to make everyone generally likable.

Even Butcher is a better character, the showing doing a very good job at mixing his positive and negative qualities.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#275: May 11th 2021 at 4:52:14 PM

I’ve said it before but you show me a Garth Ennis TV show and I’ll show you a room full of writers who had to work day and night to make it good. And when he doesn’t have that, you get his Crossed pilot which was laughed out of every studio he sent it to.


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