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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#776: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:14:12 AM

https://nonproliferation.org/concrete-alternative-a-better-solution-for-fukushimas-contaminated-water-than-ocean-dumping/

An old op-ed by Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress, who has a M Sc and Ph D in high energy physics from Carleton.

He suggests solidying the ALPS treated wastewater within concrete. He also justifies as being much safer.


https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/It-is-not-too-late-for-Japan-to-change-course-on-Fukushima-water

Ferenc's op-ed (to summarize) says that IAEA's statement that Japan's plan to release the wastewater isn't a good reason to be confident. Mostly since it's not known how marine life can be affected.

He also mentioned this...

In 2018, TEPCO did not disclose that its advanced liquid processing system had failed to remove some radioactive substances besides tritium from treated water at Fukushima until, in response to a media report, it admitted that 70% of previously processed water would have to be retreated. There have also been numerous releases of contaminated water into the sea that TEPCO has only acknowledged years afterward.

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#777: Aug 25th 2023 at 4:46:49 AM

Yes, because disposing of concrete is a trivially easy job and it's not like the "concerns" about impacts on marine life are being presented in a handwavey way at all...

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#778: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:08:18 AM

How is the water being dispersed? Maybe it could be spread out across the ocean instead of in one place to dilute it more.

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#779: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:19:42 AM

That happens anyway thanks to currents.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#780: Aug 25th 2023 at 10:29:06 AM

[up][up][up] If you read the linked article, the writer said that the concrete can be used as a building material, and not that the concrete should be thrown away.

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#781: Aug 25th 2023 at 11:17:58 AM

I don't see how putting radioactive waste in buildings is any better than the sea, especially given certain precedents.

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#782: Aug 25th 2023 at 1:10:43 PM

Wouldn't that also concentrate it rather than dilute it? Which sounds like a terrible idea.

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#783: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:04:12 PM

[up][up]Yes, that could be an issue if thr ALPS doesn't work as well as TEPCO and the Japanese government claims, and the worse radionuclides stay in the water, but in that case, dumping the radioactive waste into the sea is going to be bad as.

Are you doubting the Japanese government? (gasp)

Edited by minseok42 on Aug 25th 2023 at 3:25:04 AM

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#784: Aug 25th 2023 at 5:51:24 PM

Weirdly the ban is celebrated in some parts of Japanese internet.

Someone claimed that it can mean cheaper food to eat/buy.

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#785: Aug 26th 2023 at 12:31:24 AM

I am doubting this entire saga. It has all the hallmarks of being driven by radiophobia and nationalistic stupidity rather than legitimate concerns. In particular, the ocean currents offshore Fukushima point eastward, not southwestward. Nor is there a lot of evidence that ecosystems care about minor or even major radioactivity introductions.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#786: Aug 26th 2023 at 1:07:00 AM

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230826/p2g/00m/0na/006000c

Tokyo's moving to provide financial aid to fishermen going to be affected by the ban.


https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230826/p2g/00m/0in/002000c

Supermarkets in Beijing are using seafood from other places and are putting up sign for buyers in case they'll make them into Japanese food.

The dealer does warn that substitution is not the same thing.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#787: Aug 26th 2023 at 5:47:52 AM

This just came up.


https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/talk-quietly-japan-tells-citizens-china-lie-low-after-fukushima-release-2023-08-25/

Due to the protests against the Fukushima water release, various Japanese diplomats from the Embassy in Beijing (IIRC the Consulate in HK) have told Japanese nationals living in China to keep their heads down and talking quietly in public (and not use a lot of Japanese) when possible so as not to be targeted.

The Japanese Embassy in Seoul issued advisories for Japanese living/working in South Korea to be careful after police arrested 16 people for trying to attempt an occupation of the Japanese Embassy in a commercial building.

Reminds me of the protests in the 2010s in China where Japanese places/items were smashed up as if you're in a Streets of Rage or Final Fight game.

Edited by Ominae on Aug 26th 2023 at 5:54:01 AM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#788: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:14:58 PM

Li Jianming of the China Institute of Atomic Energy (CIAE) made a couple of posts in Weibo to explain why the release of the wastewater from Fukushima Daiichi shouldn't be a cause for alarm.

I got some screenshots of his Weibo post and translations. His post got taken down by Chinese internet police and his account got disappeared. No two cents to guess on what'll happen to his reputation now.

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Edited by Ominae on Aug 26th 2023 at 7:15:15 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#789: Aug 26th 2023 at 7:41:18 PM

[up]It's pretty obvious that the wastewater thing is being done purely out of spite and pettiness.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#790: Aug 27th 2023 at 7:18:53 AM

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/08/3f3aa4bc6352-nuisance-calls-from-china-received-in-japan-over-fukushima-discharge.html

I pretty much expected anti-Japanese sentiment to pick up that fast in the mainland. Also seems Chinese who can makes call to Japan and can speak Japanese called up a cultural center in Edogawa with messages not to release the wastewaster.

Japanese Embassy/consulates in China are given more police protection from the PAP.

Edited by Ominae on Nov 18th 2023 at 1:14:30 AM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#791: Aug 28th 2023 at 7:29:01 PM

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14990605

Japanese Embassy in Weibo (China) made an official statement about the calls made to Japan directly as they're harassing people there.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#792: Aug 29th 2023 at 8:39:45 AM

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230829/p2g/00m/0na/015000c

Kishida has made statements condemning Chinese harassment involving crank calls and throwing things at Japanese schools/diplomatic facilities in China.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#793: Aug 30th 2023 at 10:39:42 PM

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230830/p2g/00m/0na/030000c

Kishida had lunch in Fukushima prefecture yesterday. Ate food from said prefecture too.

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#794: Sep 3rd 2023 at 11:45:14 AM

The governor of New York state signed a bill that would ban the Indian Point nuclear plant from releasing radioactive water into the Hudson as part of its decommissioning. How many people who support that ban support Japan's decision to release radioactive water into the Pacific?

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#795: Sep 3rd 2023 at 11:49:30 AM

Supporters of the planned releases say that they would be similar to those made when the Indian Point Energy Center was making electricity and that the concentration of tritium had been far below federal standards. Such releases are made by other plants, hospitals and other institutions, they said.

Also something the weird Chinese and south Korean ultra nationalists leave out. But we'll they also don't know what dilution is so....

Edited by miraculous on Sep 3rd 2023 at 11:50:38 AM

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#796: Sep 3rd 2023 at 12:57:53 PM

How many people who support that ban support Japan's decision to release radioactive water into the Pacific?

Probably very few, because most people who support the Japanese decision understand the risks of power plant water well enough to know that it's actually not dangerous.

Most power plant water is safe to swim in. If you swam in it indoors you may actually be exposed to less radiation than in an outdoor pool.

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#797: Sep 3rd 2023 at 1:01:47 PM

> Most power plant water is safe to swim in. If you swam in it indoors you may actually be exposed to less radiation than in an outdoor pool.

the danger is at the bottom of the pool,that's where its radioactivity is.

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#798: Sep 3rd 2023 at 1:06:23 PM

[up] not even the radioactivity, that's just where they put the capsules in the spent fuel pool, which barely effect the water. The vast majority of the radioactivity there is directly from the capsules, not suspended in the water. Water is very good at blocking radiation.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#799: Sep 3rd 2023 at 5:03:22 PM

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/08/7c151752e385-japan-to-unveil-relief-package-for-fishery-sector-amid-china-ban.html

More financial relief coming for the Japanese fishermen affected by the bans from China/restrictions from South Korea


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/09/01/japan/society/chinese-tourists-fukushima-water-release/

Looks like more people in Japan who are from the mainland aren't hesitating to eat Japanese food.


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/08/31/japan/politics/us-enovy-fukushima-visit/

U.S. ambassador to Japan Rahm Emanuel visited Fukushima and ate the food prepared there.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#800: Sep 4th 2023 at 9:20:26 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66667291

Logically is picking up rising misinformation coming from China, which is fuelled by statement made by Chinese MOFA regarding the water from Fukushima.


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