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Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#751: Jul 8th 2023 at 9:58:02 PM

Yeah, it's an ocean-cooled plant. Keeping it in japan literally just means "have a huge vat of ocean water doing nothing in particular on an island with very limited space to do anything due to the rough terrain".

Besides, it's perfectly safe, so sayeth nuclear technicians, who are notoriously very good with safety.

eagleoftheninth Shop all day, greed is free from a dreamed portrait, imperfect Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Shop all day, greed is free
#752: Jul 9th 2023 at 2:51:28 AM

I'm pretty sure the water was already desalinated before the reverse osmosis process? You kind of have to remove the salt before moving on to the smaller radionuclides.

I get the widespread mistrust towards the Japanese government and TEPCO's claimed figures, but:

There's concern abound that neither party is exactly being objective — the IAEA, after all, is an advocate for nuclear energy, while the conservative Yoon admin has bowed to Japan on some very controversial issues before — but I think that we all ought to remember the third point:

  • No part of this is really new. Radionuclide contamination in water is an issue we've known about for decades (mostly from natural ore reserves leaching into groundwater), and the water treatment methods we've developed to deal with it are quite mature. Plus basically every nuclear power plant worldwide — including both Japanese and South Korean ones — already released tritiated water on a regular basis long before the Fukushima disaster.

I mean, the optics aren't fantastic regardless. The history of nuclear technology is inextricably linked to colonialism; I've written a bit here in the past about how nuclear mining, testing and waste dumping disproportionately affected (ex-)colonial subjects in the past. But this is also a very well-understood process that spanned over a decade of international cooperation and has been thoroughly reviewed by the relevant international bodies to boot.

And well, if the figures were bogus, then the Japanese government itself would be the first to deal with the physical consequences.

One day, we will read his name in the news and cheer.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#753: Jul 9th 2023 at 4:59:17 PM

Yeah. In this case, we can at least say that multiple experts hired by separate interest groups have agreed that this is safe. If only we could get this kind of safety checking on fossil fuel extraction and use, that'd be even peachier.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#754: Jul 9th 2023 at 7:31:50 PM

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/iaea-chief-south-korea-allay-fukushima-water-dump-concerns-2023-07-07/

Rafael Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), came to Seoul on Friday.

Unexpectedly, more protests came on the Fukushima water.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#755: Jul 9th 2023 at 7:33:23 PM

I wouldn't say it's unexpected at this point.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#756: Jul 9th 2023 at 8:07:06 PM

That is fair. His presence/visit would rile up the protests.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#757: Jul 10th 2023 at 7:29:33 AM

And Adrian Ho calls the Fukushima decision "reckless" when Tokyo's been very forthcoming about it and they didn't hesitate to accept South Korean officials visiting the prefecture.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#758: Jul 12th 2023 at 2:56:18 AM

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/07/0183d5dc715f-hk-eyes-seafood-ban-from-10-japan-areas-after-water-release.html

HK SAR government will do a seafood ban from Japan for 10 years after the discharge begins for public health reasons.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#759: Jul 13th 2023 at 7:56:20 AM

Shops in HK that sells Japanese-based sushi/sashimi are facing trouble because of the upcoming bans.

Commenters are as usual blaming Tokyo for making the decision regarding the wastewaster...

Edited by Ominae on Jul 13th 2023 at 7:56:31 AM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#760: Jul 24th 2023 at 2:52:48 AM

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230724/p2a/00m/0na/011000c

Mainichi Shimbun did a poll on releasing the wastewater from Fukushima and 44% of respondents say that they’re fine with it.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#761: Aug 3rd 2023 at 10:11:20 PM

https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14969137

Seem like anglerfish from Ibaraki are in trouble since they’re under a likely ban from Hong Kong. They’re exported for Nabe hotpot.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#762: Aug 6th 2023 at 8:51:58 AM

CNA reported that the waters released from Fukushima won't affect Singaporean waters.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#763: Aug 7th 2023 at 8:30:01 PM

Will the water released from Fukushima affect any waters? That feels like a rather redundant report.

They should have sent a poet.
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#764: Aug 7th 2023 at 9:06:15 PM

Kinda depends who you ask in the Indo-Pacific. Most of SEA don't see a problem with it.

China/Korean public/HK/Macau do see a problem with this. So do the local fishermen who live in/near Fukushima.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#765: Aug 8th 2023 at 4:38:41 AM

[up][up]It won't affect anyone, no - but some people need more assurance than that (because being a moron is perfectly legal, especially when HK SAR government is trying to score points with a population that don't want them).

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#766: Aug 8th 2023 at 4:40:01 AM

AFAIK, the local Japanese chamber of commerce in HK (at least) is trying to convince HK SAR officials that the seafood from the regions near Fukushima should be okay.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#768: Aug 15th 2023 at 3:53:49 AM

There's indication (solid) that by the end of August, the Fukushima wastewater will be released.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#770: Aug 22nd 2023 at 6:54:11 PM

BBC reported that the release of the water from Fukushima could be done within 48 hours.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/japan-fukushima-nuclear-plant-water-safe-china-us-3703911

Good CNA commentary on the question of whether the water from Fukushima is safe.

The catch is it depends on which country you're asking.

Edited by Ominae on Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:22:55 AM

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#771: Aug 23rd 2023 at 6:44:46 PM

Interesting news I heard from NHK that the American ambassador to Japan will sample food from Fukushima to assure people that it’s safe and as a counter to Chinese claims that it’s dangerous.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#772: Aug 23rd 2023 at 11:14:46 PM

People question releasing the water into the ocean where it will quickly be dispersed, but keeping it in a bunch of giant tanks in a big city is a-okay?

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#773: Aug 24th 2023 at 7:28:55 AM

And the water's already being released from Fukushima...

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#774: Aug 24th 2023 at 6:17:32 PM

Hearing a lot of people in China, HK (maybe Macau) are rushing to eat in Japanese restaurants in anticipation of the seafood ban.

Some people speculate that this can wreck that sector.

I know of one Japanese restaurant in HK. Sure that they’ll tank.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#775: Aug 24th 2023 at 10:11:40 PM

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/08/7d810c62b8eb-china-to-boost-radiation-monitoring-after-fukushima-water-release.html

South Korean police arrested 16 university students for trying to bust into a commercial building that houses the Japanese Embassy.

Diaoyutai Education Association in Taiwan is condemning the release of the wastewater and called on Taipei to not be an accomplice.

Malaysians are now starting to monitor Japanese seafood imports.

Edited by Ominae on Aug 24th 2023 at 11:25:00 AM


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