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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Jul 24th 2019 at 6:07:33 PM

This trope is seeing a lot of misuse outside of the page itself. The issue send to come from taking the name at face value and not looking at the trope page itself. The result is entries for Overwhelming Exception describing just that, one major exception to an otherwise standard rule, rather than the actual trope, which is a comedy gag that boils down to "when have I ever let you down other than all those times I let you down?"

I haven't had time to do a proper wick check yet, but I can do that tomorrow evening and I'm willing to resubmit if that's preferred. I just wanted to get it posted sooner because the longer I put it off the more likely I am to forget entirely.

That said, while I haven't done a full wick check, there are still plenty of examples of the misuse. You can pick any of the Character pages on the Related page and their example will be as described. I haven't looked at crosswicks since I'd assume they're okay. There are a few examples where I think we're seeing misuse but I'm not entirely sure.

I first noticed the issue on Characters.Komi San Wa Komyushou Desu. there's no record though since it was cut and moved to Characters.Komi Cant Communicate. I didn't make much of it at the time because the troper who added it had an issue with misusing tropes more generally. It's not until the other day when I saw a pothole for the trope on A Story About Treating A Female Knight Who Has Never Been Treated As A Woman that it occurred to me there may be a bigger problem here. So I did my quickie wick check and every character page I checked has this issue.

I think the simplest way to alleviate the issue is add something like Absurdly or Comically to the name, so we get something like Absurdly Overwhelming Exception so it's more clearly marked as a comedy trope.

EDIT: Now I have time to be a bit more thorough, here's a few samples of the misuse I've been describing:

     Characters / A Song of Ice and Fire - House Hightower 
Characters.A Song Of Ice And Fire House Hightower, under Lynesse Hightower
  • Overwhelming Exception: Played with. One has to wonder how a Hightower, of all people, got herself into money troubles (seeing that Hightowers are tremendously wealthy), or why she allowed Jorah to dig himself down such a pit. The simple answer would be that she milked him until she grew tired of him; the more complicated answer could involve prophecy and all that crazy, intellectual stuff that Hightowers are so fond of, as Jorah did end up closely tied to one of the most powerful people that have ever existed in the world of ASOIAF, and she ultimately wound up in a politically powerful position, herself.

    Ah! My Goddess 
Characters.Ah My Goddess, under Belldandy

  • Overwhelming Exception: Keima (Keiichi's father) is afraid of most if not all women except his wife Takano, his daughter Megumi… and Belldandy.

    Characters / Four Clans V 2 
Characters.Four Clans V 2, pothole under Stormheart. May also count as misuse of If It's You, It's Okay

    Characters / My Hero Academia - League of Villains 
Characters.My Hero Academia League Of Villains, under All For One

    Characters / Your Lie in April 
Characters.Your Lie In April, under Kaori Miyazono

  • Overwhelming Exception: She is the only musician inspired by Kousei that decided to pursue music, not to compete with him, but rather to play at his side.

Going through character sheets the only legitimate use I've seen is Characters.Street Fighter IV which, while only a quote, is a quote stating the character's a picky eater than starts a Long List of what they'll eat.

Edit 8/24/19: Just finished a cleanup of as much misuse as I could find. End result was the removal of 25 out of 66 wicks. The majority where, as I said, in the Character sheets. Though in the process I came across WeAreNotAlone.Tropes M To P, which links to the source of the name on The Other Wiki, so I see why we have it now. Outside of those character sheets there were only a few cases of misuse. I marked every removal with the same edit reason "Removing misuse of Overwhelming Exception, which is a "when have I ever done that except for all the other times I've done that" gag."

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 24th 2019 at 11:34:09 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 9th 2019 at 6:38:48 AM

I think renaming sounds like a good idea. The Wikipedia article looks like a stub and only one citation is given, so I don't think it counts as a good argument in favor of it being an established term.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:47:11 AM

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
Sep 9th 2019 at 12:34:01 PM

I support renaming. At least make it clear it's not a single exception.

RamenChef Image Pickin's Simon Cowell from UTC-6:00 Relationship Status: Hiding
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Sep 9th 2019 at 4:27:44 PM

Maybe just rename it to Overwhelming Exceptions, to emphasize that these are multiple exceptions.

Edited by RamenChef on Sep 9th 2019 at 6:28:58 AM

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Sep 9th 2019 at 4:57:49 PM

That seems too subtle, given the nature of the misuse.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 9th 2019 at 10:48:30 PM

[up]I agree.

Edit: I looked at the Laconic and I think its text (Everything Except Most Things) actually sounds like a better name than the actual name. It's also only four words long, so hopefully it doesn't violate the Concise part of Clear, Concise, Witty.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 9th 2019 at 12:56:33 PM

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
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Sep 14th 2019 at 2:23:33 PM

13 yeas to 0 nays. Can we call the crowner? Or wait three days?

GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 14th 2019 at 2:57:55 PM

[up]Three days from the crowner's creation date would be tomorrow, so it'll be possible to call it soon either way.

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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Sep 14th 2019 at 4:49:43 PM

While we wait for the proper time to call, let's put together some rename options, since crowner looks to be in favor of such.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Sep 14th 2019 at 5:01:02 PM

My own thought was just to add "Comically" or "Absurdly" to the name to make it clear it's primarily a comedic trope.

Absurdly Overwhelming Exception or Comically Overwhelming Exception

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 15th 2019 at 9:40:59 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 15th 2019 at 3:51:13 AM

It looks safe to call in favor of renaming, so we'd just need to come up with a list of names.

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Berrenta MOD Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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Sep 15th 2019 at 6:56:39 AM

Consider it called.

Gather up names for an alt names crowner.

GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 15th 2019 at 9:16:38 PM

I prefer Everything Except Most Things over adding "Absurdly" or "Comically" because the latter two don't address that there has to be more than one exception.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Sep 15th 2019 at 9:19:37 PM

I do worry that Everything Except Most Things might be inherently confusing, but that might be more on me because I interpret the trope in a more roundabout way as "when have I ever let you down except for all those other times". Honestly Everything Except Most Things describes that.

Either way, I'd be down for Everything Except Most Things

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Sep 15th 2019 at 10:17:48 PM

Perhaps something like "Any time, except all those other times" could be the new Laconic if that's made the trope name. It's longer than the current Laconic, but it might be too long to be a trope name.

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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:36:46 PM

[up] Comical Counterexamples is the only one of those that doesn't sound overly clinical to me, but it's not as clear as Everything Except Most Things.

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GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Oct 2nd 2019 at 11:03:54 AM

I think it's safe to call in favor of Everything Except Most Things. If that's what we go with, the Laconic will have to be changed, because that's where I got that name from.

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
Berrenta MOD Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:56:19 PM

Looks safe to call. I'll move the contents when able.

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Alternative Titles: Overwhelming Exception
21st Sep '19 7:38:48 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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Consensus was to rename Overwhelming Exception due to misuse. What should its new name be?

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