Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

Does it count as complaining to viciously mock things like Ethnic Cleansing on their pages? I don’t know if it does or not.

It might, but honestly I'm not sure who cares enough about those pages to fix them. I'm just pointing out that the mocking probably isn't actually allowed, no matter how garbage the work is.

Ehh I see. I did clean up the laconic for Ethnic Cleansing to remove a So Bad, It's Horrible wick (on account of it not having an entry there) but other than that left the page alone since it doesn’t deserve to dignity of a neutral page in my book.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 17th 2021 at 10:31:06 AM

Ethnic Cleansing does have a So Bad, It's Horrible entry, but it's on Horrible.Video Games Other in the "Companies/Developers" folder, under "Resistance Records".

Personally, I don't think we necessarily need to delete Emily Youcis' page. But the thing that makes me uncomfortable is how it appears to describe her as a silly, eccentric, yet lovable character while almost completely downplaying that she's a literal Heil Hitler-ing, kill-all-Jews Neo Nazi.

Yeah, we can rewrite it for honesty and accuracy.

Attempted rewrite:

Just to address the 'moving the goalposts' stuff, honestly I would be fine with things like Birth of a Nation and The Turner Diaries also being baleeted, but I recognize that that's very unlikely to happen due to them being at least more... I'm not sure how to define it - more relevant to the field of historical study? So it's an argument that I recognize that I would lose and I don't feel too strongly about it.

Things like Stonetoss are more along the lines of active, current white supremacist propaganda, and my steadfast opinion is that even if we can accurately describe and decry a work of active white supremacist propaganda, we probably shouldn't be troping it in the first place. We can, but should we?

Also that rewrite for Emily Youcis looks good.

As for the trope list, I'd remove Mad Artist, not just because it calls her "charming and funny" (which, being an alt-right Nazi, she probably isn't anymore), but also because it's misuse since the Mad Artist trope is about someone who kills people for art. Maybe Eccentric Artist could work, but I don't know enough about her personal life to rewrite the example.

Also, Early-Installment Weirdness and Surreal Humor are Zero-Context Examples and should be rewritten or hidden. Deranged Animation feels kinda low on context as well.

I'm good with that rewrite; the "haha she's so wacky" tone of the page was bothering me as well. I'd cut the image caption as well (and probably find a new image overall because the quality of the current is horrid).

Yeah, if we have to keep the page (still prefer a cut), that rewrite looks good.

The current one is way too positive.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 17th 2021 at 8:39:10 PM

Ok I see. Also I can go either way with Emily Youcis. Perhaps hold a vote?

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 17th 2021 at 3:42:45 PM

Don't forget that Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany (and don't forget that TV Tropes has quite a following in Germany).

The problem with Youcis' page, in my opinion, is that the fact that she is a white supremacist is just thrown in at the end of the description, which after a description with a neutral to positive tone comes off as almost comical in the amount of whiplash it generates. The note about not discussing it further is supposed to avoid edit wars, but it feels like we should talk a bit more about those beliefs and how they influence her work. Some people cite that we don't trope her explicitly racist work as a positive, but pretending it doesn't exist seems like lying by omission.

This I can agree with.

Same.

My rewrite also has it only at the end, but that's mainly because it discusses her works in chronological order, and she wasn't a racist for most of her career. Maybe it could also be worked into the first paragraph.

Thirding (fourthing?) that sentiment.

As a sidenote, considering the state of her page, any of Emily's works that have pages here should be checked for gushing/being oddly positive of her - I just edited out such a thing from Alfred's Playhouse.

This is on Blue-and-Orange Morality, under the Religion and Mythology folder.

• God and Satan Are Both Jerks can easily be an example of this as well, not to mention an inversion of the same. Christianity itself lends to these interpretations. Think about it: While God is associated with charity and salvation, he also preaches homophobia, genocide, misogyny, collectivism, and toxic positivity. Meanwhile, Satan teaches excess, gluttony, and abuse, but also knowledge, enterprise, and initiative. Considering most humans would find good and evil in both figures, but both are believed to be consistent, it's this trope.

Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Oct 19th 2021 at 11:44:23 AM

Wasn't the homophobia thing a grave mistranslation of a passage against pedophilia?

Most likely.

It's a bad example anyway since obviously God isn't meant to be seen as evil; this is entirely up to the interpretation of the reader.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 19th 2021 at 4:01:52 AM

Religion bashing. Also you aren’t supposed to follow the Old Testament last I checked so it probably isn’t even accurate. Cut.

I'm going to make Sandbox.Emily Youcis Cleanup to start a draft that might later be pasted into her main page.

While I agree with this example on YMMV.Star Trek The Original Series under Seinfeld Is Unfunny, it seems a bit inflammatory and out of place:

• Viewers (including many who would call themselves fans of the original series) who complain about Discovery "shoving political correctness and SJW down our throats" by having a black female protagonist, an Asian female captain, etc., perhaps aren't aware that with slightly different language, the exact same complaints were made about the original series.

Rewrite it and move it to Older Than They Think.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 21st 2021 at 6:28:50 AM

I thought Stonetoss got deleted for not being a narrative or tropeable work. Sure it being goddamnedly hateful helped but its the first part that was important.