The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:
- Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
- Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
- Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
- Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")
Notes regarding edits related to current political figures
- Current political figures should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except when they meet all three of the following criteria:
- When the work in question specifically mentions the real life individual.
- When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
- When the work is fictional.
- Alternatively, when a current political figure has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work, we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.
- Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of Harsher in Hindsight or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding current political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.
Other relevant threads and pages
- The Troping Works That Promote Bigotry
thread, for cleanup involving pages for bigoted works.
- The Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry sandbox, for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 19th 2024 at 12:40:14 PM
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To me that looks like two Role Ending Misdemeanors in a trenchcoat.
I do think the part starting at "Interestingly" and ending with that long note should be cut.
Edit: The final sentence should also be cut imo
Edited by digdis on Aug 13th 2025 at 5:29:17 AM
I discovered a page for a creator named Creator.Gary Brecher, and it's setting off a lot of red flags: for one, the description does a poor job actually explaining what this guy is a creator of — though he appears to be some kind of political columnist who focuses on editorials on some fringe online magazine. Secondly, it focuses way too hard on describing him as a character (his image subtitle is "Gary, Gary... You Need to Get Laid."), and describes his persona/politics devoid of context. In addition, it seems like he doesn't have any actual narrative to speak of; again, he appears to be just a political columnist, and a purposefully incendiary one at that.
Someone expressed concern about the page back in 2012
, and the only response was There Is No Such Thing as Notability. Does that even count? Is this even a person that warrants a page? Is there anything to salvage of this? Or should it just be cut?
Edited by number9robotic on Aug 13th 2025 at 5:44:16 AM
Thanks for playing King's Quest V!Just cut this
from Enabled Delusion as an easy ROCEJ:
- On a much darker note, this is how the "Idea Guys" were able to manipulate Chris-Chan. Due to Chris's severe maladaptive coping mechanism that caused him to believe that his fictional characters were real, the Idea Guys took advantage of this by pretending to be his characters communicating with him from an "alternate dimension". By doing this, they manipulated Chris by threatening to nuke CW Cville, extorting $4000 worth of Gamestop credit from him, and forcing him to incorporate Nazis and other politically-incorrect themes into the lore of Webcomic/Sonichu.
As the person who made that edit, I fail to see how it violates ROCEJ, other than the fact that Chris-Chan is considered a "controversial" topic? I merely listed a real-life example of the trope in question wherein the people doing the enabling had an ulterior motive for doing so. I did not intend to draw attention to any of Chris's other antics that did not directly involve the Sonichu comic itself; only the circumstances that allowed the "Idea Guys" to manipulate him.
Even if we didn't have a general conditional ban about troping CWC as an individual (I don't recall where exactly it's been written, but there's been a mod-held agreement that they're a no-go), CWC being controversial is exactly why this is a ROCEJ violation, and this situation being described sounds like the overly invasive and morally judgemental type of story that leads to tropes getting "No Real Life Examples Please"'d.
To describe this in a complete vacuum beyond who the individuals are, the entry is about a mentally ill person being actively abused and manipulated by people because they think it's funny and can make them money. That's just sad and disturbing, and it's not even valuable as a reflection of Enabled Delusion as a narrative trope as the entry feels like it's focusing on sensationalizing the wrong things (enabling is not active manipulation and abuse).
Edited by number9robotic on Aug 14th 2025 at 12:06:02 PM
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(Emphasis mine.)
CWC's pronouns are she/her. Continuing to talk about her as if she is a man (as you have in your post and the example you wrote) is transphobic, and transphobia is not permitted on this website. If you continue to misgender people, you will risk getting a tap on the shoulder from the mods. (Read: a suspension.)
Edited by DarkJediPrincess on Aug 14th 2025 at 4:35:55 AM
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Thanks for the link; I knew the topic was banned but didn't have that to directly ref in the notification I sent.
I found this entry on YMMV.Unhinged 2020 and wanted to know if it's a bit of a ROCEJ violation or not.
- Memetic Mutation: Given Russell Crowe's past history with anger issues and assaulting people, people commonly joke that this film is either a documentary of Russell Crowe's day-to-day life or a film adaptation of Fightin' Around The World.
From UsefulNotes.British Newspapers:
- The Hillsborough reporting is a huge part of the Sun's character because it shows just how loathsome its editor Kelvin MacKenzie was. The story was his brainchild; other journalists in the Sun (especially the sports reporters) could see the response coming, but MacKenzie was such a newsroom tyrant that no one could talk him down. Not even Rupert Murdoch could fully leash him, as MacKenzie retracted his apology for the reporting and blamed Murdoch for pressuring him into making it. Even decades later, when the final report on the disaster was issued in 2016 and finally, definitively exposed the Sun's reporting as a great big lie, MacKenzie wouldn't back down (and forbade any coverage on the inquiry other than a brief wire report from a foreign agency). Liverpool FC responded by formally banning all Sun journalists from club facilities for ever (Everton did the same shortly thereafter, in response to the 2017 'gorilla' article, also by MacKenzie).
(Not the only problem example on the page)
The facts of the Hillsborough tragedy and its misleading news coverage are one thing, but the 'loathsome' seems well over the line.
That page definitely has a number of issues, yes. Although given how tied the news media is to many, many controversies it may be quite a significant effort.
I think Hillsborough is definitely relevant enough to warrant inclusion, but agree that what's currently written is poor. Probably worth a rewrite (including some of the adjacent paragraphs) to trim it down and present it in a more neutral/factual tone.
I don't even know where to start with this one, but is Industrial Society And Its Future really tropeworthy? A great many of the tropes seem to be NRLEP ones describing the infamous author's views.
"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".
This got brought up a year ago in a Wiki Talk thread
alongside the fact that Mein Kampf was also troped as a work (although it seems like that it's also been thankfully changed). I'd say Industrial Society shouldn't be troped because it’s a terrorist’s manifesto with no plot. It seems like that page only exists so that Ted Kaczynski and his views can have a page and try to be analyzed.
Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Aug 14th 2025 at 1:28:28 PM
Do not mess with creatures which you do not understand.Or move it to Useful Notes like Mein Kampf was. I'd be okay with cutting it too, though.
she/her/hers | Troper WallI was about to say, moving it to Useful Notes like Mein Kampf may be preferrable here.
''There's no magic in tuning; yet, it's something that tends to escape from any logic."
X 4 - thanks! I feel there's a problem with moving to Useful Notes though — is the manifesto actually referenced frequently in media?
I can see the point of Industrial Society And Its Future as Non-Fiction Literature. But if it's too inflammatory, I'd rather cut it because to be in Useful Notes it needs to be, well, useful. It's not on Mein Kampf level of public recognition.
Edited by Amonimus on Aug 14th 2025 at 1:39:27 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

I'd say cut after the first two sentences.
I literally cannot make out with a television the fuck