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jun_kagami Since: Oct, 2018
#251: Feb 15th 2022 at 3:52:36 AM

It's kinda funny seeing Tanjiro and co. fighting so hard against Gyutaro/Daki in the anime and then reading the Kimetsu Gakuen manga, where the Trio fight against them but for a Pizza lunch[lol]

Edited by jun_kagami on Feb 15th 2022 at 6:55:21 PM

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252: Feb 15th 2022 at 11:31:39 PM

So scrolling through the Kn Y Demon Moon trope page, I notice that the trope page said that Daki is heavily implied to be able to go to heaven. I disagree with that statement. Like if you watch the afterlife scene of the siblings again, it's something Gyutaro said, who himself don't know where he was when he woke up. The dialogue in that scene: "I'm heading this way, so you head the opposite way, where the light is brighter." is more about Gyutaro telling Daki that "I'm a bad influence on you, so now I am going this way and you would be better of going the opposite path, faraway from me.", not saying that she is allowed to go to heaven.

Edited by BattleRaizer on Feb 16th 2022 at 2:32:44 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#253: Feb 16th 2022 at 8:05:09 AM

While in the manga you don't get a lot of detail so it's ambiguous if Gyutaro is right, the anime does show a direction shining with light so you get the impression they could have gone that way but chose to go to hell out of penance.

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254: Feb 16th 2022 at 8:58:15 AM

I'm saying that Gyutaro wasn't talking about heaven or hell, he was talking about how Daki would be better of without him.

Edited by BattleRaizer on Feb 16th 2022 at 11:59:42 PM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#255: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:33:47 PM

Gyutaro was referring to the afterlife as Daki had reverted back to her human form shocking Gyutaro who was still a demon.

He didn't regret becoming a demon but regretted making her one on top of leading her down a bad path

It's why Daki was judged as innocent and could have gone into the "light" (heaven)

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256: Feb 16th 2022 at 6:47:40 PM

No, Gyutaro never mention afterlife or hell, he just said she should go the opposite path as him, where it's brighter. Also Daki isn't exactly innocent here. She might not choose to became a demon, she did kill lots of people while been a demon, and unlike Gyutaro, she mostly remember who she was beside the burning part. So while she is as guilty as most demon. You could said it's because of Gyutaro influence but she isn't innocent which is one of the major theme of Kn Y: "circumstance isn't an excuse". Also like [up] said, Gyutaro was regretting about Daki circumstance and his role in her death, not that he know much about how the law of karma and the afterlife work and how it judges Daki. You could said that it's he was hoping that she would get a lighter sentences because she didn't make the choice.

Edited by BattleRaizer on Feb 16th 2022 at 9:53:58 PM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#257: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:20:23 AM

There's no ambiguity to that scene that the light is meant to be heaven

Gyutaro was willingly walking into hell before Ume jumped onto his back keeping to their promise of always being together.

Yes Daki committed numerous atrocities and logically speaking she should have went to hell. But Gotouge decided for this touching scene to have Ume be innocent and forgoing salvation to be Together in Death with her brother in hell.

Gotouge uses this trope a lot in their series.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#258: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:33:18 AM

I think the distinction with Daki is that she didn't choose to be a demon, her brother made the choice for her in desperate situation at a young age.

So while Daki is a monster indeed, you can argue how much agency she had.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#259: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:54:01 AM

I still don't see it, the scene in the manga is very ambiguous and it never prefer to heaven or hell. Even Gyutaro wonder if he is in Hell or not. The manga use that black background place a lot and it mainly presented as somekind of limbo. It mainly focus in the sibling relationship. Also the words came from Gyutaro so it not a statement of fact but rather showing his hope that she would get a better life without him.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/613bb3395be918b610a890084757fe46.jpg

Edited by BattleRaizer on Feb 17th 2022 at 9:57:05 PM

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TropayXion The i. one. from HEART Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The i. one.
#260: Feb 17th 2022 at 7:04:49 AM

I mean, heaven is very often referred to as a bright light you see after death. Plus we know heaven and hell exist in Demon Slayer. We really don't need Gyutarou turning to the reader and explicitly stating "btw, this is most definitely the afterlife, Heaven is 3 miles to the north, Hell is a quick ten minute trip the other way. We are dead, super dead, and I wanna go to hell, which is in the opposite direction of the very bright, light-like Heaven."

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#261: Feb 17th 2022 at 7:43:56 AM

But in that scene Gyutaro was talking about how she would be better of without him, a "brighter place" here isn't mean a physical place or even heaven, It mean somewhere without him. I find I weird that people would infer heaven and hell and how Daki is deem innocent by the universe just from Gyutaro parting words.

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#262: Feb 17th 2022 at 7:58:52 AM

Sorry, but I think it’s pretty clear that the bright light Gyutaro mentions is the path to heaven. Even in the manga page you posted there is a specific place where the light is brighter; ergo, it’s not Gyutaro’s presence which determines how bright a place is. And Gyutaro telling Daki to not follow him implies that Daki could go to the bright place if she wanted to, therefore the universe does argue for her innocence.

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:12:35 AM

The bright part could also mean better place, which go back to my point that Gyutaro saw himself as the sources of Daki suffer and want her to be away from him for her own good. So that speech mean "It would be better for you to stay away from me."

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#264: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:44:48 AM

… okay, call it “better place” if you want to. Call it nirvana or elysium or rejoining the cycle of reincarnation. Point is, Daki could go there, irrespective of where Gyutaro was.

Gyutaro was definitely saying Daki would be better off without him. Gyutaro saying this does not disprove the existence of heaven or hell.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#265: Feb 17th 2022 at 9:01:17 AM

It's not just from Gyutaro's words were arguing for Daki's innocence it's that Daki was no longer Daki when the siblings met in purgatory.

She was Ume, the innocent girl who was burned alive and made a demon by Doma upon Gyutaro's request to save her.

Daki died as herself and her sins as a brainwashed demon were all put on Gyutaro. Who relished in being a demon and only regret was being a terrible older brother

Edited by FKJ10 on Feb 17th 2022 at 9:55:08 AM

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266: Feb 17th 2022 at 10:03:03 AM

I would argue that Ume and Daki is still pretty much the same person. We did see Daki flashback when she was fighting Tanjirou and she did recall some detail of her past, enough to see that she mostly recall it, minus the burned part but even that she still have some flashes of that event. The siblings actually retain their old personalities when they were human, just taken up to it logical extreme now that they have power to do so. Even Gyutaro said that she turn out like he, bitter and see that it's fair for them to take back what they think the world own them. Really, only one Upper Moon have complete opposite between his demon and human self, the rest while some don't recall everything, still retain the majority of their own personalities and let that still driven by what drove them into becoming demon in the first place.

Edited by BattleRaizer on Feb 18th 2022 at 1:08:45 AM

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#267: Feb 17th 2022 at 12:53:55 PM

Didn't Rui's parents leave heaven in order to go to hell with him in the anime? Because if so that sort of implies that you have some choice what happens to you after you die. Couple that with Gyutaro's words and Daki choosing to go with him into hell instead of going in the opposite direction and I can see why people think she might've had a chance to get into heaven.

Feyspeaker Since: Sep, 2021
#268: Feb 18th 2022 at 2:33:24 AM

[up]They did, its not flatout stated but I think his parents could of gone to heaven (or stayed in Heaven if they were there) but chose not too as they realized that they were partially responsible for how he turned out. Rui didn't understand their intentions back then which tragically made things worse really for what he became as a demon. Also, Rui was the one to choose to be a demon albeit he legitimately didn't understand what he was getting into and just wanted a healthy body.

Daki has the interesting distinction that she actually wasn't the one to choose to be a demon out of all the demons we know about so far. Gyutarouu made that choice for her as he was desperate after realizing she was still alive somehow after being burnt alive. No one else wanted to help either of them for all of their human lives so becoming a demon seemed an appealing and desperate choice. So by technicality he is really the one that the sins should be piled upon as he is responsible for himself and Daki becoming demons in the first place. That isn't to say I don't emphasize with why they were pushed that far though

There is also a implication that technically Gyutarouu is the actual Upper Six, not Daki. He is far more powerful than she is and the only reason why they lost really is because he didn't finish off Tanjiro or the others as soon as he could and instead tried to convince Tanjiro to become a demon. I think in all honestly that he very easily could of won that fight if he didn't play with his food so to speak. Gyutarouu also had a much higher hashira and demon slayer kill count if we are assuming he wasn't lying about that.

So yeah, I am sure Daki actually could of gone to Heaven and that whole sequence was Gyutarouu realizing that. In the end he kinda realizing that he probably raised her wrong and she may of had a chance of having a better life back then if he taught her better. We know that she attacked the samurai because he tried to rape her (although that scene was in the manga and doesn't seem to be in the anime) but he didn't know that and just found her burnt into a crisp barely clinging to life.

I personally really liked that scene. It generally gave me the feeling that the two really cared about eachother considering Daki was willing to go to hell with him as she didn't want to leave him alone. I guess in a way Tanjiro was lucky that he wasn't with his family when Muzan attacked at the beginning as both he and Nezuko could of easily become another Daki and Gyutarouu if they both were turned into demons.

Edited by Feyspeaker on Feb 18th 2022 at 2:48:29 AM

JoyandPeace heartless from fishbowl space Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#269: Feb 21st 2022 at 1:23:05 AM

[up] I find it interesting that if you pay attention, at the end Gyutaro returns to his human form as he walks through the flames. So even if he and Ume are going to suffer for what they did together, he at least seems to be doing it with the idea of living a better life as a human eventually.

Overall I thought this was a really good season! I really like the atmosphere of Yoshiwara and Upper Moon 6 was an interesting pair. I thought it was cool that pretty much every character this arc got to shine, and Tengen really grew on me. Even though he is retiring, I hope he shows up for reunions or something.

Bide your time, and Hold out Hope — GANKUTSUOU Just because it's irrational, doesn't mean it's not real.
fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#270: Apr 10th 2023 at 2:32:38 AM

The anime for Kimetsu no Yaiba is back with a double-length episode!

Muzan calls for another meeting in the Infinity Castle after Gyutaro and Daki’s demise, which leads to us meeting the rest of the Upper Ranks. Gonna take me a while to remember their names. Ranks Four and Five look like cannon fodder honestly. Rank Two is apparently a lord of some sort, which means a whole host of other problems in trying to off him. And speaking of problems, damn is Rank One the Sun-style user? Oh no. Rank Five then says he has some juicy, juicy info, and Muzan tells him to go to a certain place with Rank Four. No need to guess where, it’s the name of this arc.

I really do appreciate how dangerous the demons are portrayed, with Tanjiro having to recover for two months before he can even wake up. Everyone was so happy to see him up. Especially Kanao. D’awww.

Huh so for this arc Tanjiro won’t be with Zenitsu and Inotsu. Cool. Convenient that there’s two Hashira in the area about to be attacked by two Upper Ranks. Though I’m not sure if Mitsuri will make it back in time.

Very familiar back at the end there, though I’m certain he’s gonna be some other dude.

Goukenimaru Since: Sep, 2010
#271: Apr 10th 2023 at 6:50:51 AM

Ufotable really can't stop teasing future events, the scene where Akaza dives into the Infinity Castle, an anime original glance over at an unique section with water, is important later.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#272: Apr 10th 2023 at 7:07:06 AM

I completely forgot that Inosuke and Zenitsu sat out this arc.

Goukenimaru Since: Sep, 2010
#273: Apr 10th 2023 at 9:02:26 AM

ufotable and Aniplex were honest with the trailers and advertising though, you can notice their absence from it throughout. For manga readers that was quite unexpected at the time.

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#274: Apr 11th 2023 at 3:23:47 AM

That's why I try to avoid promo materials haha.

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#275: Apr 11th 2023 at 7:39:37 AM

The upper moons scene felt like animation for the sake of animation half the time which didn't really impress me that much, but Douma was animated beautifully so I'll take it. I honestly forgot my son was absent this arc which is good discussions will be less annoying for me. Regardless I feel like this episode was mostly less clumsy than season 2 was and I'm looking forward to the rest of this arc as well.

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys

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