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It'd be interesting to see how much of OMD/OMIT they borrow for the next movie...if at all, as Doctor Strange was Marvel's post-Mephisto reason for why Peter's secret was restored to the world.
I think they should keep Jameson appearing on these giant building screens ranting about Spidey or some other thing, make loads of scenes and leave them as extras on blu-rays or easter eggs to find
Or you know don't even bother with that story and do something different. >_>
Yeah, I know the MCU saved Civil War, but some stories just deserve to burn into oblivion.
yes,some should burn in Marvel's hell along with the demons there,espically the ones interested in Peter's marriage..
Just got out of the cinema. I went to see a midnight screening.
I liked this more than Homecoming, I think. I feel like most of Pete's supporting cast have settled into their roles more in this one. I liked them all better this time. Especially MJ.
Mysterio is the shit. One of his scenes is probably my favourite in the entirety of the MCU. Top 3 at least.
If I had a problem it's mainly with the climax. From a spectacle standpoint, I mean. It's kind of an inevitable let down after the awesome scene that came before it.
Edited by GNinja on Jul 1st 2019 at 1:49:30 PM
Are his illusions really cool?
Just got back myself, and they are very cool. They range from stuff meant to trick people into thinking they are real, to insane mindbending illsions that wouldn't be out of place in a Doctor Strange movie.
Hell yes. I just got back myself, and to answer , well, already did.
Give some applause to Quentin Beck ladies and gentlemen. What we saw was the reason that he's able to effectively mess with both Spidey and Daredevil's heads.
The man knows how to pull a con job, and he did it well.
I'm not even totally convinced he's dead, as while it was a thing in the comics (that didn't last) considering how he set up his death, it's not out of the question he had one last trick in store and maybe got Edith to give a false positive about him being dead.
I admit, I still don't care for Peter Parker: Ward of Tony Stark (and Tony proves that even in death, he's still pissing people off enough to do really nasty things), but I was too busy enjoying everything else to have an issue with it.
I was really looking forward to Peter just closing his eyes and trusting his Spider Sense. It's been a staple of at least three animated adaptations and even the most recent adaptation took some beats from it.
Beck pulling a con that involves Spidey: Check.
Making him look like a villain, while everyone thinks Beck is a hero: Check.
Jameson from the Daily Bugle being pulled into it: Check.
A fight taking place on a bridge: Check, check check (that last one almost escaped me).
This movie really made me appreciate Mysterio....and that random dude from way back in the first Iron Man film. Did not expect him.
Very fascinated for the future of both Spiderman and the MCU after this movie. We can only guess what they'll do next.
Edit: Also having Ned and Betty dating was a nice Mythology Gag.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:17:06 AM
I think Quinton Beck is dead dead, but there's a small crowd worth of potential Mysterios that could take up the mantle if that's the direction they want to go.
I believe in the comics there's Daniel Berkhart and Francis Klum, though I don't know much about them.
While that other dude who got yelled at by Stain seems poised to step up, I wouldn't be surprised if either of them was among the crowd of Beck's co-conspirators.
So the short bald Iron Man 1 guy who downloaded some mysterious data and skedaddled out of the movie is totally going to be the new Mysterio, right? Right.
Maybe. He seems like the most likely candidate.
Those post-credits scenes....
Considering how big they were, do you think we need a spoiler thread or would the Endgame spoiler thread suffice?
Okay Mysterio is like fucking amazing.
Among the top of the coolest villains in the MCU.
I think the takeaway from the download was that it led to Peter getting framed. Not sure what else have could been downloaded.
They could just bring Beck back if they want, he’s basically schrodinger‘s mysterio at this point, he could be anything and I’d buy it.
So much about the film was great, the awkward teen romance, MJ, them actually justifying why no Avengers showed up, Mysterio’s powers, Mysterio’s crew, small bits of comedy.
And holy shit those post credit scenes, the first one charges everything, they can go either way with if (have Pepper and Fury prove that the footage was fake and keep Peter relatively safe, have Peter be fully outed, have Strange end up doing some insane magic to make Peter’s identity secret again), also bringing back Simmons was great.
The second one was so good, Fury felt off all film, I thought they’d just got the character a little wrong compared to the past, but it was deliberate. Hot dam was that good acting on Jackson’s part, successfully playing a character that is almost perfectly impersonating another character.
Also who is in space with Fury, is it just him and the Skrull or does he have anyone else with him? Perhaps some of the Avengers?
This is the spoiler thread, so...
Anyway, I like the way they've flipped the script on the Skrulls to avoid the Unfortunate Implications. There are Skrulls among us, sure, but it's because our government is helping them hide from their genocidal enemies.
Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:41:47 AM
Yo, the Mind Screw sequence was actually the fucking shit.
The Fury fake-out had really subtle foreshadowing with Talos mentioning the Kree and his reaction to Peter bringing up Captain Marvel.
Also agreeing about MJ. She's just so fun to watch.
oh sorry I just saw spoiler markup so I assumed it was general.
But yeah, that totally blows the entire Spider-Man conceit out of the water and I’m curious how’ll they deal with it.
As for Nick Fury, I automatically assumed he’s forming SWORD.
Edited by MegaJ on Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:39:24 AM
Holy shit, the rection to Captain Marvel's namedrop makes sense.
I did like the reveal of Fury actually being Talos in disguise.
It felt a bit odd for Fury to be fooled that hard by anyone, especially some disgruntled ex-Stark employee. I kind of chalked it up to him being off his game due to taking an involuntary 5-year vacation from reality, but I liked the real explanation a lot better.
NUUUUU SECRET INVASION IS RUINED FUCK THE MCU!
I think the only thing I wasn't really a fan of was certain sections of the climax.
The problem with Mysterio is that either he's in complete control or he's powerless. There's not really a middle point where you can have a climactic battle with him.
So the film compensates by having most of the final fight be against drones. Which I didn't find all that engaging. I liked Spiderman using his spidey sense properly in the final corridor showdown with Beck, and I liked him using his augmented electric webbing to short circuit Mysterio's illusions, but on the whole Spiderman vs Drones is a marked step down from the epicness of the earlier Mysterio illusion scene. It doesn't feel like much of a Mysterio fight until right near the end.
What's the difference between a villain and supervillain?
I loved Mysterio here. He's a really great example of why adapting some more comic booky aspects of villainy isn't at all a bad idea. The petty, narcissistic motive and personality, delusions of grandeur, basically climax long villainous breadown, everything was great. The entire sequence where he owns Peter the first time is one of my favorite segments in the MCU, period.
I also really like how Spidey keeps churning out the villains that are specifically taking advantage of this being a world of superheroes as part of their MO. Mysterio more or less cribs what would be the Thunderbolts' deal here (though he was doing it first regardless), and does a damn good job of showing why it's such an interesting idea.
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