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Details of the movie have started popping, this thread is to contain the spoilers.
First credits scene is Mysterio (who died in the movie proper) sent doctored footage to JJJ played by J.K. Simmons that implicates Spider-Man and reveals to the whole world that he's Peter Parker.
Second is Fury and Hill being revealed to be Skrulls. Specifically Talos and his wife filling in for the real Fury while he's on vacation.
Edited by LordVatek on Jun 28th 2019 at 3:57:49 PM
So that's what that pre-production concept art from Captain Marvel ended up being.
Has the multiverse being complete bunk been confirmed yet? Because that's a real dick move if true.
Just because Mysterio lied doesn't mean it can't be true.
Multiverse is real (as shown in Doctor Strange and Endgame) but Mysterio doesn't know about it.
So the thing that's top of my priorities:
Is Mysterio any good? How long does it take before he reveals his true colours?
Does he have a good leitmotif? If he has one at all. (I loved Vulture's)
Edited by GNinja on Jun 28th 2019 at 2:32:34 PM
Clicked this thread, saw J.K. Simmons coming back, immediately stopped reading and covered the screen with my hands cause HOO BOY THATS ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR BABY OPENING DAY HERE I COME
please don't lead into a One More Day adaptation
Unlikely, he doesn't have a marriage to sell.
is that wedding bells i hear?
More worried that we're moving closer to Miles, and that potentially means for Peter.
Read this, and I'm like, "Uh, people probably called him out for stealing everything from Miles for his 'Peter' OC and he's scrambling to do damage control."
Mysterio sounds like a lame Syndrome who is butthurt at Tony. Seems kinda unmemorable besides the ending.
You mean the way he cherry-picked good elements from the comics to create the movie version like everyone else does?
In that case, I wonder what would happen if Mysterio had a personality swap with Lou? Would that make for a more interesting villain?
Don't make him related to Stark?
I don't like that the plots of homecoming and far from home are both fundamentally dependant on Iron Man.
Yep. It's why his origin has so many holes in it. We don't even know when he got bitten by the spider/the circumstances. It's so boring and frustrating in equal measures to skip the origin because then how are we really supposed to understand the character? I don't know what motivates this Peter beyond wanting to be an Avenger for a hot 20 mins and now that that's over... what does he want?
And they've all but said Tony will function as his Uncle Ben in the MCU which is such a disservice to Uncle Ben.
We know what Spidey's origin story is. All of us know.
Revisiting his origin story one more damn time would just waste time telling us something that we have been told over and over again in the past 20 years.
Besides, the whole "Uncle Ben" thing has been told countless times before.
You can't blame someone of trying to do something different.
So I guess we're at the point where major plot details are now end credits stingers. Infinity War and Captain Marvel were straddling the line, but to basically stick Peter being framed and his identity revealed after the credits roll either means they no longer think anyone is leaving before midcredits, or they don't care about those who do knowing what the hell is going on.
x2 That's part of why MCU Spidey is so baffling. When did that kid take revenge for Uncle Ben's death? Does Uncle Ben even exist? What was his motivation for becoming Spider-Man then? Has he ever used his powers for personal gain?
Holland's Spidey needs some sort of pathos. Without an origin, an allusion to an origin, without a moment of truth a character cannot become the hero we expect. I'm not certain Holland's Peter Parker has reached this point. I get that people don't want to see Uncle Ben die a third time, but not referencing him by name at all so far in the series is a huge problem too.
Edited by dmcreif on Jul 1st 2019 at 9:31:57 AM
"When you can do the things that I can but you don't and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." - Peter in Civil War.
You don't really need much more than that.
I dunno, this Peter just doesn't feel like the Peter I know from the comics. His MCU characterization is the most jarring for me because he's so different. The Netflix heroes are a lot closer as far as comic characterization goes.
We deserved to see Peter punch Tony rather than the weird father figure thing they have going on in the MCU. MCU Peter weirdly never wants to hurt people. 616 Peter is always ready to kick your ass. (That's one reason I don't want to see MCU Peter ever team up with MCU Matt; he's unwilling to throw a punch, Matt would have a hard time tolerating his wisecracking attitude, and I don't think Matt would want a 16 year old dragged into Fisk's crosshairs)
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