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WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jun 17th 2019 at 6:32:37 PM

Could've belonged under "Misused" as well, honestly.

So this trope appears to be about...well, characters who, by the standards of the work, have laughs deemed "annoying", often to make the character themselves appear more annoying. However, in practice, it appears to be used more as people Complaining About Laughs They Dont Like.

I just did a check of 70 wicks, which can be found here. A distressing amount of them are zero-context, often just typing out how the laugh sounds. Other examples are clearly how the audience feels about the character's laugh (and a lot of those ZCE examples probably fit under that category too, but it's impossible to tell). Most examples that didn't come off like someone was most likely just complaining were examples of a character having a bad laugh in-universe, intentionally, to annoy other characters.

When I brought this matter to ATT, two tropers proposed that the page should be made IUEO, and I would support that immensely. What really troubles me is that people seem to think this trope is an audience reaction, using language like "In-Universe, characters think...", when it's still an objective trope.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:13:49 PM

Now that some of the backlog has cleared up, I'll open this up.

I second making this IUEO.

bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:35:29 PM

IUEO is fine by me.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:36:13 PM

Finally, thanks ~

I'm just wondering how we'd handle the ZCE issue. It's impossible to tell if they're In-Universe or not.

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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:39:41 PM

Comment them out and wait for people more knowledgeable about those works to come along?

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:40:22 PM

Yeah, I more just meant the ZCE problem. Something about the trope has to be causing it.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 24th 2019 at 4:52:10 PM

It's hard to describe in text what makes a laugh annoying, which results in people just saying who has the annoying laugh without any real explanation.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jun 25th 2019 at 5:38:56 AM

I think the idea the trope is going for is a character who has a really bizarre laugh as a source of characterization (to show that theyíre a Cloudcuckoolander or obnoxious bore). That can still be in use regardless of whether characters comment on it or not. Would this be an example of Intended Audience Reaction?

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
RamenChef IP Regular from UTC-6:00 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
IP Regular
Jun 25th 2019 at 7:05:40 AM

Make it IUEO, but allow for Intended Audience Reaction.

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WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jun 25th 2019 at 7:18:27 AM

Yeah, I'm fine with Intended Audience Reaction examples so long as it's very clear the reaction was intended , as a character quirk.

My concern is that this'll just be used as a way to shoehorn those complainy examples under the insistence that the annoyance was intentional. We'll need to draw a very clear line somewhere.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 25th 2019 at 7:52:14 AM

[up][tup]

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jun 25th 2019 at 8:39:07 AM

[up][up] In my mind, I was thinking of IAR examples backed by Word of God. It probably would have helped if I clarified.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
RamenChef IP Regular from UTC-6:00 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
IP Regular
Jun 25th 2019 at 11:05:23 AM

"Backed by Word of God" seems too restrictive; an in-universe reaction to the laugh should suffice.

This message was written on a hamster.
Jun 25th 2019 at 11:06:25 AM

[up]I think the Word of God bit is for examples claiming to be an Intended Audience Reaction.

WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jun 25th 2019 at 11:34:55 AM

[up] Yeah, it is. It should be obvious if the laugh is meant to be annoying in-universe, since other characters would no doubt react to it as such, but it's harder to prove that a laugh is intended to make the audience feel annoyance.

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WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:43:28 PM

In an effort to keep this from falling into purgatory, should I make a crowner?

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:50:01 PM

What are our options, here, besides "Make IUEO" and "Allow for Intended Audience Reaction examples"?

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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 2nd 2019 at 4:16:35 PM

[up] I don't see that anything else has been suggested in the thread.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jul 2nd 2019 at 4:18:27 PM

[up] So it's those two options and a "do nothing" sort of option, I guess?

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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 2nd 2019 at 4:25:08 PM

Assuming neither of those are approved, we'd just do a cleanup and close.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jul 2nd 2019 at 4:26:56 PM

[up] Fair enough.

Here it is.

Remember everyone, these are not mutually exclusive options.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Berrenta MOD Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
WarJay77 The googly-eyed monstrosity from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The googly-eyed monstrosity
Jul 10th 2019 at 1:40:32 PM

So far, everything seems pretty much unanimous. Can we call it?

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread

Page Action: Annoying Laugh
2nd Jul '19 4:25:51 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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The trope attracts complaining as it currently stands. These options are not mutually exclusive.

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