x3 I belive Rhea did intend to bring back Sothis to fix everything as well, and even in the interview they hint as such if this quote is anything to go by
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Yeah, though that also comes with the unfortunate implications Rhea was willing to gamble Byleth's... self(?) in exchange of getting her cake and eat it too.
Edited by Blackress on Oct 3rd 2021 at 12:50:30 AM
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I tried looking for some on F-F-dot-net, but they have surprisingly few horror fics, period
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Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but is there some official policy regarding adding tropes for characters that are present only in FEH? Some pages like Edelgard's have them separated from the main game, while in others they're along with the other tropes while mentioning it's present only in the spinoff (as in "In Heroes...).
That was me. A while ago I removed all the tropes and events that only happen in Heroes on the grounds
that tropes and events that only happen in Heroes should be placed on Videogame.Fire Emblem Heroes and not on pages that aren't Videogame.Fire Emblem Heroes; that got reverted by Infernape612 on the basis
that "The character pages for the Fire Emblem franchise do cover their appearances in Heroes, because otherwise we'd have to have the character page for Heroes alone show tropes for over 400 separate individuals and counting and it would be a mile and a half long.". To avoid an edit war, I decided to segregate them into their own sections.
Personally, I still think that if a trope is present in Heroes and not in Three Houses, it's wrong to list it on Three Houses and not on Heroes, but that's me.
Ukrainian Red CrossNoticing it only affects Edelgard, and if she hates the Children of the Goddess on religious reasons or humanist reasons.
Oh boy...
Heroes IS canon to their characters even if you disagree with the choices made.
Arguing it's an adaptational change to justify Edelgard working with non humans is nonsense since she still works with divine characters in gameplay AND story anyway. I'd argue it's more clarification than outright character change.
Like CF frames her as the devil to Seiros's divine themes. Dragons in FE and in eastern culture ARE divine influenced. A large part of her motivation is to abolish the church and what she sees as it's control over Fodlan. Does she have issues over non-humans having power over humanity? Yes, but to deny the divine aspect of her conflict with Seiros is missing the point.
This is just further bloat.
For something supposedly over Heroes portrayal as a whole, this only affects Edelgard, you haven't even touched Dimitri or Felix, the mentions a newfound hatred of Duscar people when talking to Dedue. Or the Ashen Wolves's recent FB.
Heroes IS canon to the series, even IS considers it a mainline game, so even if you disagree with characterization, it's still part of the canon and putting it in a separate folder is nonsense.
Like the point of heroes is to further expand on characterizations of the cast once their game is up and advertise said games.
Such as Grima, he's a generically evil character in Awakening, but has hints of a sympathetic backstory in Heroes according to his confession.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2021 at 2:50:06 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Grima's is especially amusing because it's a second-degree expansion. Shadows of Valentia expanded on him, then Heroes expanded on that.
I think I have to agree that having a separate page for each Heroes character would be more than way too much. That said, I think it's also reasonable to note that a detail came from Heroes (though a separate folder seems pretty excessive), much like citing a source.
FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshiTbh the main game already has four timelines where characters can act differently depending on the circumstances; by that logic the entire thing probably needs some manner of sorting even without the Heroes stuff. Plenty of characters will even have a neat "general tropes" vs. SS/VW vs. AM vs. CF split. (Also, aren't their Heroes counterparts supposed to come from specific routes?)
With the Lords already having their own pages with alphabet sorted folders due to the amount of tropes applied to them... (A lot of the info is also heavily spoiler-tagged mainly because of the route differences, which would also be less of a problem with proper sorting.)
Edited by YnK on Oct 7th 2021 at 12:42:21 PM
Only the Lords (and I guess Dedue by default). Byleth and the other students act about as generically as possible.
FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshiBelated reply but this was very much an intentional flaw for Dimitri. His entire story arc during the War Phase is coming to terms with his Survivors Guilt and realizing the consequences that his revenge quest is having on others. It's why it actually culminated with him attempting to broker peace with Edelgard. Twice if you count the actual ending, where he attempts to again but Edelgard apparently opts for Suicide by Cop rather than living in a Fodlan where her specific ideals didn't come to past.
I'm also reminded of how hardcore Dimitri fans portray Edelgard as someone who goes out her way to traumatize and torment Dimitri.
Even though she barely considers him at all and has little desire for any kind of revenge against him, despite him potentially killing Black Eagle members.
I know I did in my Blue Lions run.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Edelgard also doesn't even remember who Dimitri is. I could maybe see an argument for it if she did, but as is, seems like it's just her standard policy of bulldozing anything that gets in her way.
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As I have said before, I'm friends with someone who has a tumblr blog and is a hardcore Dimitri fangirl.
I remember back in the early days she shared all those memes of Female Byleh comforting Dimitri after Edelgard abused her. I recall a pointing meme one. And once argued that Edelgard was actively trying to torture Dimitri mentally in the holy tomb. I can PM you the posts if you want a good laugh, we all grown past it.
I mean, for shipping purposes, it's always useful to have an antagonist abuser for your love interest for hurt/comfort stuff. It helps that Edelgard is basically an Otome antagonist in Blue Lions.
Luckily for Dimitri, he escaped this by not having romantic feelings for Edelgard.
Despite what stupid guests and shippers will tell you.
I'm still bummed that plot point is never brought up, and is contradictory considering Edelgard has better assassins at her disposal, but never tries to kill Dimitri or Claude directly ever again in Phase 1.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2021 at 3:52:21 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Though I feel like the OOC anti-Edelgard stuff comes from the Crimson Flower route ironically enough where she does kill Dimitri. Out of context it makes her come across as Lacking Empathy for people who played Dimitri's route first.
Of course the irony there is in the very next scene it's implied that she winds up crying after going through with it.
That's the thing, Edelgard is pretty compassionate as you can see in her supports and was close with Dimitri. But she feels she must bury her troublesome empathy and kill her way to the top for a better world, I feel she'll have nightmares over executing Dimitri and there's a reason why she abdicates the throne and disappears from public life. No place for her there.
I find that quite interesting as a character trait to be honest. Not as tragic as people believe since she chooses it willingly and is still on a war of conquest, but there you go.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2021 at 3:58:25 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
It might have hit me just now, but have we met before in a discussion page?
You suddenly seem familiar.
Oh well, but yeah I agree. I don't like the idea that Edelgard did nothing wrong, and it detracts from her appeal to me as a sort of anti-hero/villain protagonist and it gives her route a much different flavor than most Fire Emblem games even Conquest, which I appreciate very much.
I mean shit, she means well and can back up her talk, but starting a war is going to cost at least thousands their lives, she's going to have to live with that, even the game for all it shows about how the Empire lead to a golden era.
I feel one's enjoyment of Edelgard's character is directly proportionate to what sort of crowd they have Edelgard discourse with, LMAO.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 7th 2021 at 4:20:11 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I mean Edelgard is very passive aggressive and does intentionally say belittling, insulting things to Dimitri consistently. Even his final moments it’s her insulting him, and when she cries it’s about how her feeelings about having to kill someone literally at her mercy who she could easily have taken captive at that point.
The scene is very much framed in contrast to AM for a reason, with the caveat Edelgard tries to kill him till the end on both routes, while he can’t pull such a thing on CF but she still goes out of her way to be a dick to him.
And Edelgsrd is insensitive and does say pretty callous and cruel things to people without a second thought plenty of times. Not even Byleth isn’t exempt, and she doesn’t like it when they disagree with her insulting them like she does in her A support where she still acts like they have no attachment to others, so she can’t even see beyond their physical appearance the way Claude and Dimitri can.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 7th 2021 at 1:51:58 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
CF!Dimitri spends his last moments blaming El for stuff she wasn't responsible for. Also, he is already dying in that scene regardless, from the injuries he got during that fight. You could easily interpret it as a Mercy Kill. AM!El is likewise already done for due to her Hegemon transformation.

Speaking off relying on mommy to make everything better, are their any good horror fics of Sothis coming back wrong?
Like in the time of the game. It's October and I feel like reading scary.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"