Seteth is not the only source we have for this event, we also have Dimitri, who has lived his whole life in Fearghus up to this point telling us that what happened to Miklan, happened to his uncle as well, namely that they were both disinherited while also confirming that this is not uncommon in Fearghus which sort of supportsSeteth's argumentthat you can lose your claim of your title withoutan crest.
Disowned as a synonyms doesn't make sense, because Miklan was not immediately disowned when Sylvain is born as both of them grew up together, for better or worse. Disowned has more in common with the world excommunicated than disinherited,because both describe the process of being thrown out of an community,in this case an family. If you are disinherited you will simply not inherent the wealth and position of power from your parent.
The Western Church has less power and authority than the Central Church and as such their destruction has little impact, especially when they built an new chapter there as replacement for the traitorous branch. Rhea is so popular in the Kingdom that her comrades feared news of an assassination attempt on her would cause chaos,so much does she mean to them.
Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 31st 2020 at 5:20:09 PM
Miklan was disowned and kicked out of the house when Sylvain was 16, he was disinherited years before then, just like Caspar in the Empire or as
mentions Dimitris Uncle. Being disinherited doesnt even mean you arent born with a silver spoon in your mouth or can't have noble status, as thats exactly what Caspar and Rufus have too(Someome even had to pay so Caspar could come to the expensive Garreg Mach). Dinsinheritance is common. Ingrids brothers aren't getting any inheritance(Not that theres anything but land and a Relic to inherit) and from what we hear her father has made personal sacrifices to ensure Ingrid gets everything she wants.
Miklan spent most of his life whining he didnt get the inheritance and attempting to murder Sylvain and was kicked out 16 years after countless failed blatant murder attempts.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 31st 2020 at 11:03:27 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.And of the Blue Lions, Mercedes seems to be the only one who's particularly religious.
Well, Dedue is, but he doesn't follow the Co S.
Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Dec 31st 2020 at 11:04:47 AM
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.What do you mean "this event"? You're talking like you think the point is about Miklan, when it explicitly isn't. The point is that disowning your kids for not having a crest is apparently common neough in the kingdom that when Seteth hears about Miklan he incorrectly assumes that's what happened to him.
Yet whe nnews actually did come out of an assassination attempt, from the church itself no less, it barely even seems to cause a scandal.
![]()
![]()
Well the Western Church, Count Gloucester, some of the monks in the game, Lonato and his son Christophe, Cassandra and Rhea are all fanatics enough, though the latter 2 only became so in CF.
Also I think the reason why Miklan's tragedy doesn't hit me as hard as,Zelgius is that his loss is in grand scheme of things inconsequential and unimportant because he had never been framed as superior to Sylvain. Had he been, even gameplay wise to be shown as stronger and more skilled than Sylvain, then we would see the loss of his inheritance much more darker as an talented fighter was driven to banditry due to an unjust hierarchy rather than a pathetic loser trying to get his hands at a power he could have never possibly obtained or understand. Being chosen as an heir because of age is dumb IMO and just as idiotic as choosing someone based on a magical boni at birth, maybe even more so.
It is about Miklan because he is the evidence for it and I also said that it might be a poor choice of wording from Seteth, because Gillbert,Baron Dominic,Rufus,Ashe and Ingrid's brothers were not disowned and if they really wanted to make the case that people without crests get disowned in the Kingdom, then they didn't portrayed it at all, because we have more evidence for the opposite.
Regarding the tragedy of house Lonato, this happened in a time where the Kingdom was totally in Chaos and not as stable as before.
Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 31st 2020 at 9:18:00 PM
Dimitri even says that Gautier goes too far in requiring its Successor to always have a Crest, with the implication this was the same for Sylvains father as well.
Edit: With the Ashen Wolves Yuri straight up disses Miklan and states he's a poor leader on top of everything.
Double Edit: Christophe was also used to try to pin part of the blame on the Tragedy as being instigated by Kingdom Nobles as well, which only makes sense if the goal is to stop the slaughter of Duscur folk. Its Right for the Wrong Reasons since Lonatos superior is in cahoots with Cornelia.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 31st 2020 at 12:27:06 PM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Exactly, it's almost like there's a disconnect between what the game tells us about its world and what it actually shows us. Like I've been saying all along.
Also, it's pretty clear that the writers intended for people getting thrown out of their family for not having a Crest be a thing that really happens, because in CS they made sure to add an NPC in Abyss that that actually happened to (though in his case it was the younger generation kicking out the old one).
The Kingdom doesnt kick out the kids. Miklan got kicked out for being murderous, these are two very different points. If said man and his father was ever kicked out in the Kingdom(as it doesnt specify where), it still would have been in House Gautier due to its absolutely requiring a Crest. As theyre very clear Gautier demands a Crest to fulfill its duty.
x3 Also Rodrigue has a brother who runs the Fraldarius Territory in his stead. We only learn that on AM. Felix soeaks dismissively of him(But its Felix soo....)
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 31st 2020 at 12:57:59 PM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.![]()
I think we're so used to arguing we don't know how to agree with each other.
![]()
![]()
How dare you imply people on this forum are disagreeable?!
Edited by VampireBuddha on Dec 31st 2020 at 9:03:42 AM
Ukrainian Red Cross![]()
![]()
I once saw a Youtube commenter argue that the Church of Seiros is bad because the green Co S units are all useless on Maddening and Maddening difficulty is canon because it's the one that makes the most sense storywise.
Edited by Druplesnubb on Dec 31st 2020 at 10:08:29 AM
@Omega Radiabnce They demand that their ruler has an Crest, which makes them more cruel than any other Kingdom house.
Yuri indirectly called him an rapist, that shows how little the devs thought of him. Making him a rapist was such an cheap-ass decision to make him more hatable than he already was and makes him less of an victim and more of an asshole. What is he going to tell the poor girls and Women he rapes why he did that? That he was disinherited and they deserve to be molested? Jikes,they really made him even more of an waste than he already was, I mean I have Issues with Dimitri's character suddenly go insane during chapter 10 and afterwards irrational since there is little correlation to PTSD and violent killing while there is none to be disowned and disinherited and becoming and Bandit and rapist.
@Drup So the truth lies in the middle? Or did they made an mistake with Seteth's line?
A new Topic: I am the only one who found the question in the latest interview""Why did Nemesis attack Zanado" to be stupid? Because to me at the very least it was quite clear that he was after the power of the Progenitor God for raiding the Holy Tomb and wanted to increase his power with the relic. My interpretation of this event before the interview was this:
Nemesis was an powerful and well-accomplished Bandit, infamous for his cruel ty as he left always nothing alive of his raids, except for some poor tortured souls who had to tell the tale of how Nemesis raided and stole from the people for wealth and power. He had an group of Elite warriors who were known as the 11 Elites back then and were his closest companions and servants aldo known to be cruel and powerful. He was basically an Evil Ike, who got the attention of the Agarthans,who were amazed by his powers and feats, promised him more power and glory than he could ever dream for by raiding the Tomb of the Goddess to steal the corpse of Sothis and bring it to Shambahla to give him an powerful weapon and power. Zanado was an Isolated place, which was cut off from the outside world and only very few Nabateans ever left it, hence why no one knew who the Nabateans were. However they were not prepared for Nemesis as he attacked Zanado with his 10 Elites and bandit troops to steal the Goddess, choped her into pieces and carried it all to Shambahla. There they crafted the Sword of the Creator for him and infused him with the Blood of Sothis to wield it. The 11 Elites jealous of this power,demand the same power, but Nemesis talked them down, declaring that ONLY HE should carry the Crest of Flames and no other, so they all raided Zanado a second time only to fail, until Nemesis came in and killed almost all of the Nabateans single-handely except Rhea, who was too horrified and weak to stop it. He then tries to build his Kingdom and tries to conquer the entire world declaring that a group of evil, foreign Gods and their followers are trying to control Fòdlan and subjugate Humanity and that they have to take over the world to end this menace,first starting with Fódlan, where hd conquered the North,East and west successfully. He falsely claimed that he is the chosen King of Liberation by the Spiritual masters of Humanity(the Agarthans) who will liberate his foes from their lives and save the Human race from the wicked Gods from the foreign lands and kill all of their spawn,as they are all inhuman creatures. Rhea, who was traumatised deeply by this event and fearful of what Nemesis could do to the world with this power fled to the South of Fódlan warning the people of an evil King named Nemesis and that he trying to destroy them. She also gathered the 4 saints, build the religion of Seiros, helped Enbarr to prosper and together with the first Adrestian Emperor to fight against Nemesis's evil Empire. Nemesis in the meantime enjoyed all the power he had while terrorising the place she conquered, was warned by the Agarthans of an Empire of the South that tries to destroy all he build, declared that he will liberate them from the false Goddess and goes to war under the pretense of Liberation. Seiros defeated him and that was the end.
How he was appropriated as an hero is something I had an hard time figuring out as there was no reason why to, so I give the interview credit either it's final question,until he suppress tech part.
A claim that is worse is that Claude/Khalid told Edelgard his true heritage, something he never did or even worse than that is that he was the one who always wanted to conquer Fódlan, even though he never had an plan doing so.
Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 31st 2020 at 10:18:06 AM
Every villain is a hero to their own people. That is what matters. For Nemesis he was a Hero to those who nothing about what he did, and they do imply centuries passed since when he originally rose to power. Greek Myth heroes were generally assholes too, and you can tell his inspiration from the name alone.
For the Agarthans who have ten foot long moustaches with built-in twirl machines they are "Saviors" out to save mankind, one genocide and societal collapse at a time.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 31st 2020 at 1:22:36 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Claude all but spells it out for her after he's defeated in CF.
Edited by Druplesnubb on Dec 31st 2020 at 10:26:18 AM
x5 They're by and large only as "bad" as the enemy units there, though. Sometimes they have a few less skills, but usually their stats are about the same, with typically better gear or advantageous terrain positions. The AI just tends to rush in and suicide, or give up their advantages.
And that's just the generics. The named Church greens tend to be just as bonkers as many of the tougher named reds that show up. For a good example, look no further than the defense of Garreg Mach. Catherine will just flat-out obliterate Edelgard if she gets a chance to initiate (the only thing holding her back from being able to accidentally win the map for the player is that greens can't kill bosses).
Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Dec 31st 2020 at 3:29:05 AM
FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshi
4x For the people he was an Hero, which only makes sense due to the propaganda of him and his Awesome Crest powers. I just found the need of an question as mundane as "Why did the evil Bandit guy destroyed the village of the Dragons? I ask because I never analysed the game, please help me devs!" not worthy of time to answer, the question: "Why did the Agarthans hated the Nabateans" is much better.
2x She never reflects on it and is instead is scared of an rat in one night and nothing really reflects on it. Khalid's final class explained it much better than his subtle hint.
Speaking about it, it could have been that he just asked the Almyrans for help and promised them Money as reward? You can take it either way.
Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 31st 2020 at 1:46:32 PM
Well the Agarthans reasoning is whats explained and its already pretty sletchy because we know they attacked Sothis unprovoked because they were insulted by the idea that theres something wrong with spilling too much blood, and the Nabataens her progeny place in the world following the cataclysm they caused only made the more self-righteous.
Nemesis was and is a bandit motivated by power, which his FEH version makes clear. People really wanted him to be a mindless zombie on Vw, but that was never the case. He was just a thug who believes in Social Darwinism.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 31st 2020 at 2:01:43 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Did you even read what I wrote? Seteth, who doesn't know Miklan's full backstory and thinks he was disowned for simply not having a Crest, claims that such events are commonplace in Faerghus. And you completely skipped the part where everyone in Faerghus finds out that the church they've been following al ltheir lives are apoststes to zone in on what happens afterwards.