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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#17826: Dec 21st 2020 at 8:00:51 PM

EDIT: Another thing I noticed is that, just like in Ashe and Lorenz's case, had the player failed to fulfill whatever requisite IS/KT might've had in mind for Felix + Annette in AM and Lorenz (again) in VW, they would've ditched you in Part 2 with seemingly no build-up whatsoever, and I can't help but wonder how people would've reacted to that.

Probably about as well as people did to Kaze dying in Birthright if you didn't have an A-Support with him.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 21st 2020 at 12:01:05 PM

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Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#17827: Dec 22nd 2020 at 5:43:30 AM

Remember that the available evidence suggests that the trigger was losing them on Classic Mode in Part 1. That already makes the units leave you in Part 2 in the current game.

Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#17828: Dec 22nd 2020 at 6:16:27 AM

[up]For the Black Eagles in Silver Snow yes. In the case of Felix, Annette and GD Lorenz the triggers could also have been planned to be something else entirely (completed paralogues? support levels with the lord/byleth?)

[down]Fair enough.

Edited by Blackress on Dec 22nd 2020 at 8:46:49 PM

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#17829: Dec 22nd 2020 at 6:21:37 AM

I'm going by Occam's Razor here.

YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17830: Dec 22nd 2020 at 7:04:02 AM

All of the Black Eagles show up as enemies on AM and VW if they weren't recruited, thanks to the Empire being the main antagonists for most of the game; they would show up in the same places on SS. So having any of them killed would result in a "vs. former student" battle. But on the other routes, so far it seems like it's just Lorenz on VW, and Annette and Felix (and possibly Ashe) on AM. That is a very specific condition. Why did they even bother with this?

Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#17831: Dec 22nd 2020 at 8:14:03 AM

[up]No clue. They were also seemingly no last-minute additions either: voiceclip order suggest they were added along with that route's development (same goes for Caspar and Linhardt unused lines in SS Fort Merceus), and apparently the Lorenz vs Claude convo was added as soon the devs created AM's version of Chapter 16.

Also, since you brought up the unused/placeholder events yesterday I went and checked fedatamine again to document them all, and this is more or less what I found:

  • There are 26 slots with placeholder event data in the game which are for the most part empty. 10 of them can be found between the Crimson Flower and Paralogue exclusive events, while the rest is located between the Paralogues and ones used for the Cindered Shadows DLC storyline.

  • Multiple unused slots for monastery exploration script exist withing Three Houses. Between the Silver Snow and Azure Moon routes, there is one empty slot with no data, and after Verdant Wind's exploration data, there are 38 placeholder slots which are simply titled "NULL". Interestingly, one of them contains recycled conversations with Hanneman, Manuela and Tomas from Chapter 1 before one of the titular Three Houses are chosen.

  • There's no unused/placeholder data for story chapters as far fedatamine.com can attest.

Edited by Blackress on Dec 22nd 2020 at 10:17:25 PM

YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17832: Dec 22nd 2020 at 4:00:56 PM

I can see Lorenz ditching you on Verdant Wind the same way he does on other routes. But let's assume Felix and Annette would also leave immediately after the timeskip if you let them die earlier, and not reappear until the Fhirdiad mission. Would their dads not even comment on the whole thing at any point? At all? I dunno, it just feels weird to me to specifically choose these two as traitors and not have any content related to that besides the stuff that's happening when you're already fighting them (or are about to).

Tropetalker Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#17833: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:03:41 AM

[up] Do you know what is worse than Felix and Annette possibly leaving? Dimitri having no accuracy penalty after he gets his eyepatch.

Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:06:22 PM

Tropetalker Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#17834: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:04:37 AM

[up] Yeah he should lose 5 points of accuracy because of his eyepatch.

Edited by Tropetalker on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:05:55 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#17835: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:19:25 AM

Azure Moon is the one route where Paralogues influence the story, and everything about Annettes frames her Paralogue not being done as why her mom and uncle were taken hostage and ger becoming an enemy.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:20:13 AM

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YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17836: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:23:51 AM

[up][up] Who needs accuracy when most enemies die from one hit?

[up] True, but what about Felix?

Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#17837: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:09:36 PM

[up]Probably lack of support/trust on Dimitri would've made him ditch him before Part 2, kinda like how a portion of the fandom gets the wrong impression of him and believes he's an edgelord that can't wait to be recruited by another house.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#17838: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:11:10 PM

Likely Support based and how much Felix is willing to lie to himself about how he feels about Dimitri, because he's more than capable of unhealthy breakdowns over Dimitri dying on routes where he thought hes dead, and is unwilling to admit he actually regrets siding against him on CF.

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Tropetalker Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#17839: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:26:16 PM

[up] Felix had it coming. He is an awful friend to Dimitri and constantly mocks him for his boar side. No sane person would ever want yo maintain a friendship and he should have left Dimitri a long time ago, if he is such an boar. Speaking of leaving the most illogical thing about BL is the first act of the Time-skip with the Kingdom still holding onto Dimitri, despite him Malingering. He should have been either imprisoned and undergo some ancient Nabatean or Fearghus ritual to come back or be killed and Rodriguez takes the Throne and establishes the Fraldarius-dynasty. Lambert would be proud of him.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#17840: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:33:44 PM

Felix problem is hes an Emo Teen and a ultra Tsundere. A terrifying combination

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YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17841: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:44:17 PM

[up][up] Felix does care for Dimitri, in a tsundere way, and usually he isn't wrong about what he says. He just tends to phrase things very bluntly.

Azure Moon is actually the one route where the Lions following Dimitri turns out to be a good thing. For the most part, prior to the Gronder II disaster they have Byleth as the backup commander; and if you look at Silver Snow for comparison, we're doing the same stuff on both routes, it's just that AM insists that we should be good FE protags and save our country. But then, after Dimitri comes to his senses, he can just immediately turn around and do exactly that, because everyone is still following him.

Also, speaking of possible support-based betrayals. Both Dimitri/Felix and Claude/Lorenz have the C ranks locked into Part I. Hmmm...

Edited by YnK on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:45:05 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#17842: Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:58:59 PM

Felix problem is that he refuses to believe that theres more to Dimitri than The Boar, and refuses to acknowledge that for all his complaints about Chivalry if Dimitri had died he wouldn't have been happy with Glenn for leaving Dimitri to die. Plus ignoring the other aspects of Chivalry like the fact it exists to protect those who can't protect themselves, which is exactly what Glenn did.

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YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17843: Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:14:15 PM

[up] Nah, Felix's main issue with Dimitri is basically "This bloodthirsty boar is the guy my brother died for, greeeeat". Especially considering how he reacts to Rodrigue dying for Dimitri, since Dimitri finally managed to get his shit together after that.

Felix: He'll need to excel as a leader, if he's to make up for my old man's death. Though if my father could see Dimitri now, he'd be glad to have made the sacrifice. Don't you dare tell anyone I said that.

...Kinda starting to appreciate the "betrayal" getting cut, as it would essentially be Felix trying to ensure that his dad died for nothing.

Edited by YnK on Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:15:22 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#17844: Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:30:01 PM

Except Felix refuses to see that its not just the Boar, and the Kind Prince is just as real. Dedue, who understands Dimitri far better than Felix could ever hope too, always understood this. Both of them were always real, and Felix callous disregard for understanding why Dimitri might end up like that from the trauma he suffered. Its why he goes through a similar experience on VW and SS after Dimitri dies, but without any idea that he is doing so because Felix never tried to unddstand, it was all about HIMSELF.

And hes very clear that for everything he says, Dimitri does mean that much to him and he would have been mad at Glenn, because fighting Dimitri or him dying is the foundation of his Negative Character Arc.

Just like Dedue knew that for all that Dimitri at his worst might say, there were lines he would never cross, and thus him putting Dimitri in a position where he had no choice but to accept Demonic Beasts on CF.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:34:52 AM

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YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17845: Dec 23rd 2020 at 2:12:43 PM

Felix, in a way, falls for the same trap the game arranges for the player. That is, if you go just by Byleth's initial impression of Dimitri and Felix's early comments, Dimitri can come off as someone who is "hiding his true nature". The irony being that he is terrible at hiding his feelings and is just trying to deal with his trauma in a very misguided way because he doesn't know any better, and the reason he is trying to suppress his "dark side" is because he himself hates it.

Then post-timeskip it becomes worse because Felix has no context for that incident in the Holy Tomb until near the end of the game.

Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#17846: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:13:20 PM

[up]x5 Fedatamine doesn't mention Claude & Lorenz's C support it's locked after part 1 though. Then again, the site is missing a few stuff like stating Ashe and Catherine's C support is locked behind their paralogue...

Edited by Blackress on Dec 23rd 2020 at 5:14:05 PM

YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17847: Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:28:40 PM

[up] I recall fedatamine missing a lot of support timelocks (in particular, Byleth's C-ranks are always Part I only, the exceptions being Gilbert, Alois and Jeritza). Once a support is unlocked, you can see the timeskip locks in the game's support library via available settings, though, provided you've previously reached Part II of the target route.

That specific one, I actually tested on one of my "fishing practice runs" where I do weird stuff, and it does lock off once Part II starts. Nothing interesting happens as a result, however.

The weird part is it has a trigger that changes one line if the support is viewed during Part II, which is impossible.

Edited by YnK on Dec 23rd 2020 at 4:42:49 AM

Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#17848: Dec 23rd 2020 at 4:47:41 PM

[up]Stuff changes during development. Ferdinand and Edelgard's B-Support also has a line which changes for Part 1 despite being locked during it iirc.

I didn't know game actually told you support availability like that, huh (many thanks btw). With that info in mind, it seems then fedatamine only list supports-locks when they get blocked after a very specific point in the story rather than simply after part 1.

YnK from Place Beyond Time (Not-So-Newbie)
#17849: Dec 24th 2020 at 2:29:30 AM

[up] I wonder why they changed the El/Ferdie one, it... really would've made more sense for it to unlock in Part I. In general, it seems like if a support isn't getting locked for plot reasons, it can be limited in other ways (e.g. Ashe/Marianne C being Part I only because it basically references Mari's pretimeskip hairstyle). But some are just kind of random.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#17850: Dec 24th 2020 at 4:01:29 AM

Speaking of which, are there any other supports that are route-locked like Seteth and Ingrid's A+?


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