Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

Yes, the fact she’s in that position for questionably Watsonian reasons (the Doylist being that Edelgard kills two birds with one stone) doesn’t change how ironic that setup is. If only you knew, Rodrigue...

@Red, At best he'd probably break it. At worst he would end up causing it to explode and take most of his Mooks and resources with him.

Honestly, the whole thing with CF is basically a result of how the game treats its major factions; namely, that the faction leader being out of the picture renders it powerless.

On non-CF routes, both the Church and Faerghus fall apart due to Rhea being captured, Dimitri being presumed dead (and eventually dying for real if not on AM), and Byleth vanishing for five years. Claude doesn't have enough power on his own, so he's a different story.

On CF, Dimitri and Rhea are still around, and so is Edelgard, but unfortunately Byleth siding with the Empire downgrades the latter from her leader status, resulting in a mess.

Man, you're a lot more generous towards Thales than I am. I would've said that, at best, he'd somehow manage to strangle himself with the sword.

" In Byleth's room, our favorite professor is sleeping. Suddenly Arundel is opens the door and tries to reach for the sword. "

Arundel: AT LAST! THE SWORD OF THE CREATOR!!!!!! WITH THIS SWORD, I WILL RULE THE WORLD UNOPPOSED!!!!

Rhea: "Yawns" Lord Arundel, what are you doing? Why are you in the professor's bedroom?

Arundel: NOTHING! I mean, i was just stretching. Good for your health at this age.

Rhea: At this hour, at the professor's bedroom, WHILE REACHING FOR THE SWORD OF THE CREATOR?

Arundel: Yes.

Rhea:... May i join you?

Arundel: Wait, why are you here? And why were you sleeping on the professor's couch?

Rhea: I was singing a lullaby.

Edelgard: And i'm here painting the professor.

Arundel: GAH! Where did you come from?

Edelgard: I was here the entire time.

Arundel:... You idiots take all the fun in being evil.

In response to your earlier question, I would say have her play Golden Deer from the start. You said she didn't do a whole lot of recruiting, so this way she gets to know the characters organically. And if nothing else, Raphael and Ignatz have one of the best paralogues.

I've decided heads or tails is the best way to decide.

Without Byleth's heart the Sword of the Creator is basically a fancy walking cane. Thales would presumably use it to mitigate his back pain.

Thales isn't the one with back pain, though. Solon has back pain, and he got it from having to carry Thales.

Thales, truly an inspiring level of failure.

Myson: Solon, our toilet is backed up again.

Solon: Thales will fix it. Somehow.

That's a reason why i prefer AM and CF over GD in terms of villains, Thales is an evil non-character compared to Edelgard or Rhea.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2020 at 4:10:36 AM

But then again, Nemesis is by far the best final boss.

I think I've mentioned it before, but my opinions on the final bosses are:

• The Immaculate One is the most epic-feeling
• The Hegemon Husk is the most hilarious
• Nemesis is the most relaxing

My opinion is

Seiros takes the crown as the best final boss and Big Bad of CF.

Edelgard takes second place on Azure Moon.

While Nemesis comes out of nowhere, and while he does thematically resonate with the story of Claude and Golden Deer, that's not enough to save his character and lack of time.

Dishonorable Mention: Thales. He's technically the Big Bad of VW/SS but he's so incompetent and an evil non-character that he's overshadowed by Nemesis, and it's a waste of a good Chris Smith.

Not even the final boss of any route. What a loser.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2020 at 4:59:21 AM

I'm not sure I would use "non-character" to describe Thales. He's a bigot with a grudge that has festered for a very long time who is patient enough to play the long game. That's a character.

Hegemon Edelgard for First

Nemesis

Followed by Berserk Immaculate One with magic cancer or whatever it is thats making things grow all over her body

And then CF Immaculate One

Underutilized despite his role would be more accurate.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 1st 2020 at 5:05:18 AM

Thales would run around with the sword equipped and weighing him down for no good reason. Just like Solon runs around with a stick that does nothing more than drop his AS.

Those Who Slither in the Dark have everything you need to make a great villain faction. They have a really cool aesthetic and tons of fun toys. They have a backstory and motivation intricately tied to the lore of the world. Most importantly they have a really interesting Enemy Mine dynamic with Edelgard and their alliance of convenience (and I'd say CF is the only route where they actually kinda work). But the writers simply doesn't bother to ever flesh them out or give them any characteristics beyond "generic sociopaths seemingly only added because Edelgard's side wasn't cartoonishly evil enough".

Yeah under utilized is better.

i recently re watched TLJ RLM and evil non character got stuck in my head.

Yeah Fire Emblem has had cool villain factions before, Gharnef and his assassins, Nergal and the Black Fang, Lyon and the generals of Grado, King Ashnard and the four riders ETC.

The writers were juggling so many characters and factions that the Agarthans were underutilized and their lore confusing. I guess it's because they are ugly, that the writers can neglect to make them more than evil mole nazis.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2020 at 5:11:24 AM

How are the Agarthans confusing?

They're a precursor race of basically-white-supremacists that got too proud and got punished for it. They became incredibly vengeful, retreated to a hiding place, and began working from the shadows to weaken the other civilizations so they can return and once again establish their superiority.

How the heck is that confusing?

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jul 1st 2020 at 5:25:04 AM

How do i put this? Like there was a reason why some tropers were confused on who they are even after playing VW. Rhea's explanations do leave some things to be desired.

I'd explain in detail but later, i'm eating. Sorry.

Also they are literal white supremacists.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2020 at 5:28:10 AM

I've divided Fire Emblem: Three Houses – The Church of Seiros by moving the instructors to their own page.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 1:37:02 AM

I actually took a look at the pages for the church and the instructors, and there's several entries I want some help on. The instructor page had a Defector from Decadence entry that was all kinds of terrible that I removed. The thing is that it's probably actually a good idea to have an entry on how Manuela and Hanneman switch sides to the empire in CF and AM (and presumably the other routes as well if you didn't recruit them), but I don't think Defector from Decadence is the right trope, so I need some advice on what trope to put there instead.

The pages for the church and the instructors also both have a Geodesic Cast entry that somehow only thinks the trope applies on SS even though most of the church members are playable on most or all routes, calls SS the "fourth route" even though it's one of the default routes and the only route that could be called "the fourth route" is CF, and generally seems to be written like the church members replace your house members on SS rather than being additional units on top of the existing Black Eagle units. That said I think the trope itself might apply, and I think the subentry on how Seteth sorta takes over the lord and retainer roles on SS could be made into its own entry, so I want some help in remowrking it.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:46:48 AM

Hanneman and Manuela are originally from Adrestia, so like the Black Eagles they side with Edelgard by default if not recruited on non-CF routes, but will follow Byleth otherwise. It makes sense. What makes them an odd case is that they can only show up as enemies on one route, in a paralogue.

Honestly, I think most of the info regarding the Black Eagles route split needs to be rewritten (and possibly un-spoilered), since we know now that CF, not SS, was the intended "secret" route.

SS apparently is the only route where Catherine, Cyril and Shamir join your army automatically; on VW and AM you can get them much earlier but they're technically optional recruits.

Ironically, Catherine and Cyril are much worse on the Church route than the others because they join late and you can't train them as much as the other routes.

Ironic. They could help players on other routes, but not their own.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 4:23:03 AM