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Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Sep 9th 2019 at 6:04:58 PM

Ah, gotcha. Here's the list from the ATT thread. The only contested ones were for Sinister Scythe and Villain Song, which Zuxtron argued were too early in the movie to count as spoilers, even if they were part of the twist.

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nombretomado the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Sep 9th 2019 at 8:15:11 PM

The videos, aside from Villain Song and Sinister Scythe, have been changed to denied.

Sep 10th 2019 at 6:13:07 PM

I've added the following RWBY examples to the sandbox:

    Added to sandbox 
  • Ascended Meme: The RWBY video isn't the trope (fandom's Idiosyncratic Ship Naming is used by the creators as combination attack names in the show). This is Ascended Fanon instead. It also requires accompanying text to explain why it's an ascended trope, and it's well over two minutes long, so clarity and length need to be checked.
  • Break Them by Talking: The RWBY video is of a speech given by The Heavy. It's during the third season climax, is the major plot reveal of the apparent villainous motive, and is a speech given to a global audience, designed to help kick off attacks around the world. It's not the trope.
  • Critical Status Buff: The RWBY video is too long. The trope is demonstrated within the first 38 seconds. The rest of the video is all about team attacks that actually undermines the trope, and so should be trimmed away.
  • Curb-Stomp Battle: The RWBY example is too long. The trope has been demonstrated after 1.10 minutes. The rest of the video should be trimmed, especially as it reveals a plot twist unrelated to the trope.
  • Good Cannot Comprehend Evil: The video is not an example. It's one of the heroes screaming at the villain about how broken she must be to enjoy the pain and suffering she's caused, and how he's going to make her pay for it. The trope claims it's about characters who think there's some good still in a character and that they kind find a better solution if only they could understand the villain's motives.
  • Villain Song: The RWBY example is just showing off a cool fight. While the song that plays during the fight is a Villain Song, it's not the standard song discussed by the trope (because it's not sung in-universe, it just uses in-universe dialogue as some of its lyric lines, and those dialogue moments aren't in the video clip). The fight is also taking place in a tournament arena, watched by a crowd, so there's Fan Myopia going on here: it's not going to be clear to people who don't know the show why it's an example. Plus, the lyrics are really hard to hear.

Looking at the list of RWBY videos on the WebAnimation.RWBY page, there are videos that are spoiling key events, sometimes in the stills and tag-lines, so people don't even have to watch the video to be spoiled (I haven't added them to the sandbox because I don't know if spoiler issues are being added there — I'll add them if people want me to):

    RWBY spoilers inside! 

  • Impaled with Extreme Prejudice: Legitimate example of the trope, but it's the climax of a conflict that has spanned six years of the show and therefore spoils the exact resolution of it (as well as which of the two victims involved is finally the one to resolve it). The still is of the key spoiler moment.
  • Screw This, I'm Outta Here!: Spoils the climax fight of the first season, reveals a major plot twist about one of the characters, and the video is far too long (1.45 minutes in total, the 'outta here' bit is in the last 13 seconds, but the rest is the context, so trimming will damage the clarity of the trope use).
  • Traumatic Superpower Awakening: This is is a plot twist about the main character. The still actually doesn't give this away, so it might not be too spoilerific about her. However, the still gives away a different plot twist: the death of the character that leads to the main character's awakening.
  • Karmic Death: Reveals a character's death, which occurs as a major plot twist in the show (the video tag line even gives away the death). There's also a bit of Fan Myopia here as why his death is 'his fault' is not clear unless you know the monster that eats him alive is attracted to his negative emotional state. It is, however, a clear example of Eaten Alive (albeit, still a spoiler).
  • Big Damn Heroes: Gives away a secret ability that one character possesses. This can be fixed by cutting out the first 34 seconds of the video. While it does remove how easily the villain curb-stomps the teenagers, the relevant information for the trope will still be in the remainder of the video, as video will now start from where the hero is down on the ground and beaten, thereby leaving in the villain's strike that is deflected by the intervening hero.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 10th 2019 at 2:14:23 PM

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Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Sep 11th 2019 at 11:56:21 AM

The video for Astronomic Zoom "Friendship is Optimal Trailer" appears to be the entirety of someone's work, namely this

nombretomado the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Sep 11th 2019 at 6:59:58 PM

It's been flipped to denied.

Sep 12th 2019 at 4:45:26 PM

What about tropes who's entire point is spoiler based? I posted a number of videos on tropes like Golden Ending, Downer Ending and Tomato Surprise and the whole point of those tropes is that if there was a "Spoiler Index", they'd be on it.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Sep 12th 2019 at 5:00:05 PM

I mean, it could be consider a spoiler on the work's page.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
Sep 12th 2019 at 6:32:57 PM

I feel that Spoilered Rotten tropes shouldn't allow video examples, for the same reason they usually don't get images (unless we can find a video that demonstrates the trope without being a spoiler). When the examples are in text, you can at least avoid reading the examples about works you don't want to have spoiled. But when it's in video, just scrolling to the bottom of the page could have a spoiler show up without warning.


VideoExamples.My Hero Academia has three of its five examples be about the minor character Mt. Lady, whose power is to grow to a giant size. I have a hunch that whoever added these might have a macro fetish... the videos ARE examples of the tropes, but it still feels a bit weird.

Speaking of which, the video for Kill Steal is a bit too long. The first minute and the last 30 seconds could probably be cut out.

Then there's the Super Strength video (which isn't about the aforementioned character), which has poor audio quality.

In a tangentially-related query, is it considered preferable to take video examples from the dubbed version of an anime when possible?

Edited by Zuxtron on Sep 12th 2019 at 9:54:07 AM

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 12th 2019 at 6:49:19 PM

[up]I would use the dubbed version when possible unless the dub is terrible. You read text in regular examples, so you shouldn't have to read in video examples.

Steel be with you.
Sep 12th 2019 at 6:49:53 PM

The rules will probably have to have a link on the Video Source page towards the Spoilered Rotten clarifying not to use those tropes.

Either that or whoever coded the whole Video Uploaded format needs to add a "Spoiler Warning" box similar to "Featured Video" option, allowing uploaders to warn other users about spoiler content or something, and who knows how long that would take.

Edited by EvilerThanThou on Sep 12th 2019 at 6:50:08 AM

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 12th 2019 at 7:07:30 PM

~Drewski, ~itcdr, what's the deal with the "contains spoilers" checkbox in the video upload form? Checking it doesn't appear to change anything. Barring a way of making videos as spoilers with a custom thumbnail, I wouldn't mind allowing videos on Spoilered Rotten since unlike images, you have to scroll down to see videos.

Steel be with you.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Sep 12th 2019 at 7:12:09 PM

I personally would prefer English-language audio if available, unless doing so would kill the context in question (e.g. Dub-Induced Plot Hole, Gag Dub).

That said, I imagine we could just add any and all relevant language tracks as alternative versions in order to have our cake and eat it too, but that's discussion better suited for the other thread.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 12th 2019 at 8:10:28 PM

Since ~EvilerThanThou and ~Monolaf317 apparently have a good way to upload Steven Universe clips, could you upload these?

Steel be with you.
Monolaf317 Graar! from Canada Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Graar!
Sep 12th 2019 at 8:37:28 PM

Me? O-okay, I'll try...

Edited by Monolaf317 on Sep 12th 2019 at 11:38:46 AM

City Velociraptor
Monolaf317 Graar! from Canada Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Graar!
Sep 12th 2019 at 8:41:33 PM

[up][up]Hey ~Eviler Than Thou, which videos do you wanna take on?

Edited by Monolaf317 on Sep 12th 2019 at 11:42:12 AM

City Velociraptor
Sep 12th 2019 at 9:32:04 PM

[up]The only one I couldn't get was Blunt "Yes".

Monolaf317 Graar! from Canada Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Graar!
Sep 13th 2019 at 6:27:54 AM

[up]K, I'll get that one, thanks for replying!

City Velociraptor
Sep 17th 2019 at 4:45:16 PM

There's something that's been bothering me lately.

For a while, when a video was uploaded and then approved, you could see all of the videos both on the tropes they represent as well as what media they are from. But now when I upload videos onto tropes that previously did not have any videos, you could not see them on the trope page, but you could still see them on the media pages. You upload new videos onto tropes that do show the videos already, then you can see the new videos on there.

For example, you can see all the videos on Villain Song, and if you were to upload a new video onto it and it is approved, you can see that new video on the trope page. However, I just launched the brand new trope Fallen Cupid and I uploaded three videos onto it, all three of which were approved. However, you can't see the videos on the Fallen Cupid page, but you can see the videos uploaded for it on the media pages (Hercules: The Animated Series, Spyro the Dragon, Miraculous Ladybug and "Dark Cupid").

This isn't like a massive obstructive thing that should be addressed and corrected post-haste, but I just wanted to know if this was just something happening only with me or if that was or was not an intentional change to the site's format or whatever else, considering how new videos are to the site.

Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Sep 17th 2019 at 9:08:03 PM

I don't know if I can actually ping people, but ~Monolaf 317, could you please upload a video for Curse Cut Short from the scene in the SU movie where Bismuth goes to commend Peridot, but then nearly says "shit" before changing it to "shucks" when she notices some barrels falling towards them?

I don't know what this thing is, and that terrifies me!
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 18th 2019 at 2:23:06 PM

[up]Wouldn't that fit Last-Second Word Swap better?

Steel be with you.
Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Sep 18th 2019 at 2:31:11 PM

Really? I suppose it could be both, but it's similar to Greg almost saying shit earlier in the movie, and that's in the Self-Interruption section of Curse Cut Short.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Sep 18th 2019 at 5:31:50 AM

I don't know what this thing is, and that terrifies me!
Sep 20th 2019 at 12:27:23 PM

Another spoiler Steven Universe video I forgot to mention earlier: Satanic Archetype. It's dubious whether the character in question is even an example, never mind the blatant spoiler.

miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Sep 20th 2019 at 2:17:21 PM

Doesn't the description for that trope literally state in the first line its for a truly evil character.

Pretty sure that Steven universe example wouldn't fit there.

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
Sep 20th 2019 at 7:44:54 PM

I've added the RWBY video for Kill the Cutie to the sandbox. It's got a number of problems.

  • Fan Myopia: people familiar with the show will understand why it reflects the trope, but all anyone else will see is a badarse fight in a crowded arena that ends with the destruction of a female robot that upsets the crowd. There's nothing to explain why the dead character is a 'cutie'.
  • The video is far too long. Most of it is the fight and then there's an extended coverage of the reactions — from the killer to the crowd to the main character.
  • It's a spoiler for two reasons: obviously it gives away on the show's work page which character gets killed off. However, it also gives away who the killer is, and that would be a spoiler even on the trope page.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 20th 2019 at 3:47:35 PM

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