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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#1: May 29th 2019 at 7:31:40 PM

Liana Kerzner is Youtuber, who is behind "Lady Bits" videos, which are analysis of women roles in video games. She is also fequently puts videos, where she talks about her thoughts on various issues.

Here is her most recent videos:

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 29th 2019 at 5:32:29 PM

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#2: May 31st 2019 at 8:38:35 AM

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#3: May 31st 2019 at 12:19:28 PM

That first video rubbed me the wrong way and I think I can finally explain why. Its just a half hour of her whining about how Tropes vs. Women ruined video games and how you can't disagree with it you're automatically wrong (because disagreeing was the sole problem people had with Anita's detractors /s) and how tired she is of everybody screaming at each other and how no one can accept people's opinions anymore (a talking point generally used by people who dont want their shitty opinions challenged but still want to do continue expressing them) and how everyone's so fragile these days (self-explanatory).

She also claims Tropes vs. Women started a "war", which I guess is true if you take the most surface level and literal look at it. And it makes sense as long as you ignore any of that messy context stuff like, say, the mounds of harassment she got from threatened men with hurt feelings.

TL;DR: she's a g____g__e apologist and I don't fw her. Next.

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#4: May 31st 2019 at 12:43:15 PM

[up]I disagree with Liana K whenever she speaks about "both sides". It's just there are some stuff i agree with her about, like double standards regarding female nudity.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 31st 2019 at 10:43:43 PM

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#5: May 31st 2019 at 5:04:32 PM

I gotta agree with Stamina on this; maybe her other videos are better, but after watching that first one, Im just not inspired to watch anymore of them to find out.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#6: Jun 4th 2019 at 9:50:15 AM

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#7: Jun 20th 2019 at 9:27:24 AM

Why The Heck Are We Still Fighting About The Ethics of Tifa's Chest?

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#8: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:54:26 PM

....... Ethics of Tifa's chest? I already know about the controversy, but where did ethics come from?

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#9: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:58:32 PM

Because big boobs are considered objectifying or something?

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#10: Jun 20th 2019 at 1:58:41 PM

I remember this woman from when Gamergate was a thing. It was pretty funny to watch her support them, then distance herself from them when they did sexist hitpieces on her because she didn't support them as well as they thought she should, then watch her go back to supporting them a week later. Rinse, repeat.

I can't believe she's still going on about Anita Sarkeesian after all this time. That she seems to be assigning most of the blame to Sarkeesian for the toxic climate in gaming circles speaks volumes. Yeah, personal responsibility doesn't exist. You just can't help but turn into a toxic bigot because a woman said something about video games that you don't agree with. Oh, please.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#11: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:09:24 PM

[up]Wait, she supported Gamergate?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jun 20th 2019 at 12:09:52 PM

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#12: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:31:55 PM

From what I can tell, she seems to have a bit of a Thermian Argument problem when it comes to feminist critique of needlessly sexualized character designs.

The Thermian Argument is a problem that comes up rather frequently when discussing the tropes of crafting a story. Named for the Thermians of Galaxy Quest who cannot comprehend the difference between fiction and true history, to make a Thermian Argument is to enter a discussion surrounding the choices made in creating a story and to argue it as though the characters and world itself were real.

For instance.

  • Problem: It was lazy and offensive to have Roger stuff Alice in a fridge just so Bob could feel upset for a few minutes.
  • Thermian Argument: I mean, Roger was determined to make Bob suffer. What did you expect him to do? Roger wasn't going to ignore Alice just 'cause it makes Bob feel bad. Bob feeling bad was the whole point!

The Thermian Argument totally misses the point that we are talking about the creator's choices, and dives straight into trying to defend a controversial occurrence within a work strictly from the logic of the characters and universe therein.

I admit that I haven't watched a lot of Liana's work, but the impression I get from her is that she has a Thermian Argument problem with female costuming. In essence, she hears criticism of the (typically male) creators' decisions to dress female characters in these outfits but mistakes it as criticism of the women themselves for wearing them.

There's a Broken Base among feminists regarding characters with extremely objectifying outfits for this precise reason. One camp, for example, takes issue with the pointlessly skimpy outfits and fetish combat style given to Ivy from Soul Calibur. Ivy is a chaste, non-sexual character by personality who is nevertheless dressed in a bathing suit and given a dominatrix whip to wield by the game's designers.

The other camp, meanwhile, sees that criticism as slut-shaming of Ivy as a person. They don't hear "by the game's designers" and instead go to bat for Ivy, as though she were a real person being attacked by the first camp for making an entirely valid choice to dress as a sexually-powerful dominatrix bombshell. That's the camp Liana K. seems to be in.

This second camp also tends to get along rather well with MRAs and GamerGaters since they, too, are devout proponents of the idea that needlessly hypersexualized character designs are neato.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 20th 2019 at 3:34:35 AM

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#13: Jun 20th 2019 at 2:45:15 PM

I watched a few of her videos back around 2016, and when I look back on it now (and even back then as well to some extent), she sometimes uses false equivalencies to try to discount and argument or to make something seem more equal than it actually is.

For instance, there was one time she tried to use Kratos from God Of War to show how there is make objectification too, which is pretty shaky when you consider for all of five seconds since they same game series was notorious for juvenile depictions of sex.

Edit:[up] I also remember the time where she criticized people for bluring out the faces of strippers (or maybe something else, my memory is a bit shaky) as them objectifying them, ignoring how it was most likely a measure to prevent them from being harrased.

Edited by Kakuzan on Jun 20th 2019 at 5:47:34 AM

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