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So Bad, It's Horrible is one of the more flame-bait-y parts of the site, so a cleanup thread is needed to ensure that works aren't added simply because someone doesn't like them.

If you want to list a work under this, keep the following in mind:

  • The work must have very few fans or defenders (both genuine and ironic). It should fail to appeal to any type of audience.
  • Being offensive in its subject matter isn't enough.
  • It isn't horrible just because a certain critic disliked it, though their reviews can be used as sources and citations.
  • The work should have notably poor reviews (e.g., less than 3/10 on IMDb, or single digit scores on Rotten Tomatoes)
  • Please be polite while writing and as much as possible, avoid falling into Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. Instead, focus on explaining why the work is horrible.

Edited by Someoneman on Nov 28th 2022 at 8:58:17 AM

DefiantKitsune from I don't exactly know either Since: Apr, 2018
#2251: Jan 20th 2021 at 9:13:34 PM

I think that this act might be a better fit for SBIG than SBIH. If they attracted crowds big enough to save a near bankrupt theater, they clearly weren't SBIH material.

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#2252: Jan 20th 2021 at 9:29:29 PM

[up] So do we cut it or movie it to questionable entries?

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2253: Jan 20th 2021 at 9:53:16 PM

I found this entry on Horrible.Music Other (under Music Videos)


  • While Attack Attack! did have a sizeable fanbase during their existence, the video for "Stick Stickly" quickly wound up being considered one of the worst videos in the already divisive Metalcore genre. The video shows the band performing in front of an abandoned house in the middle of nowhere while a woman in white wanders about. Almost immediately, it went viral due to both the actual sound of the song (which was definitely influenced by Eurodance and Pop Punk) not sitting well with purists and the actual music video's bizarre crablike dance moves, leading to the Electronicore subgenre being derisively nicknamed "crabcore". The band itself, however, embraced the meme, printing crabcore t-shirts.

This seems to actually be So Bad, It's Good. The video itself has 102K upvotes to only 22K downvotes, and the top comments all basically say it's a guilty pleasure. Watching it, it's definitely more awkward and funny than outright horrible. It doesn't help that a lot of the entry is bashing the song itself, which - I can't say I particularly like it, but it sounds fine.

Permission to cut?

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#2254: Jan 20th 2021 at 10:11:05 PM

[up] Yeah, if it's memetically funny that's more So Bad, It's Good. Not enough of a case for it being Horrible here.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 20th 2021 at 1:11:15 PM

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JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2255: Jan 21st 2021 at 6:02:05 AM

So on the Advertising subpage's Discussion page, I talked with Mewtron and Someoneman about the Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE entry. Simply put, I don't think it counts as an example because it talks more about the fan reactions to the trailers, rather than the trailers themselves (which I thought were pretty good.) Anyone else in favor of cutting it?

EDIT: Is the TV Tropes community on vacation or something? Where is everyone? Am I seriously the only one here right now?

Edited by JHD on Jan 21st 2021 at 9:33:47 AM

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#2256: Jan 21st 2021 at 6:44:29 AM

Which part of the world are you in?

I presume that majority of the TV Tropers live in America, in which case they would be sleeping (or just waking up). If you live in south Asia, your day is their night

JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2257: Jan 21st 2021 at 7:00:47 AM

[up]I thought the majority of tropers like to pull all-nighters or go to sleep late. I guess not. (I live on the East Coast BTW.)

Now, back to my original question: Anyone in favor of cutting the Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE entry on the Advertising subpage?

Edited by JHD on Jan 21st 2021 at 10:06:54 AM

Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
#2258: Jan 21st 2021 at 8:53:34 PM

The TMS example is odd because the Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem teaser has a lot of likes and positive comments, the Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE announcement trailer has a lot of likes and positive comments, but most people seem to believe that the differences between the two trailers is primarily responsible for the game selling badly.

On one hand, the trailers did generate genuine interest for some people, which should disqualify it from SBIH, but on the other hand, the difference between the expectations set by the 2013 teaser trailer and the E3 2015 trailer also significantly tarnished the game's reputation in a way that caused its commercial failure.

If an ad campaign is responsible for a work's failure, is that alone enough to make it SBIH? If not, then yeah, the example should be removed. There are probably other tropes that are more appropriate.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#2259: Jan 21st 2021 at 9:16:59 PM

That's literally just Tainted by the Preview, which is not synonymous with SBIH.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#2260: Jan 22nd 2021 at 8:12:46 AM

1. Please donโ€™t assume anything about us, that is rude

2. I think the trailers can be cut, seems mostly like fan reaction rather than quality.

SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#2261: Jan 22nd 2021 at 4:22:48 PM

So, should we remove Richard Benson from Musicians, since being bad because of a mental illness isn't really his fault.

SpaceProtagonist Since: Sep, 2018
#2262: Jan 22nd 2021 at 5:14:05 PM

Okay, so Nickelodeon already has Awesomeness TV, Fred: The Show, Nick Studio 10, and even The Adventures of Kid Danger in the horrible subpage already. But nevertheless, I'm here to propose ANOTHER worthy candidate for the dishonor cult. Marvin Marvin has a shameful 2.3/10 on IMDb and is on at least one Youtuber's list as the worst Nickcom in recent years. Man, Nickelodeon has a horrible track record when it comes to quality entertainment.

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#2263: Jan 22nd 2021 at 5:37:28 PM

I'm that weirdo who thought Marvin Marvin was...watchable. Not a good show by any means, but tolerable. [lol] But I wouldn't object to it going on Horrible.

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mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#2264: Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:03:04 AM

I swear that Marvin Marvin was on Horrible before, but I don't know why it was removed. I've never seen a fan.

BTW, a few Horrible entries does not make an entirely bad channel. Most of these were just from a very bad early-2010's Dork Age.

[down][down] I was referring to his claim, "Nickelodeon has a horrible track record when it comes to quality entertainment." It's a fair opinion but kind of silly to base that off of four entries on the list out of the dozens of shows they've had.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:23:33 PM

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Idisagree Since: Jun, 2011
#2265: Jan 23rd 2021 at 7:07:02 AM

I'm fine with Marvin Marvin counting. It's said to be as bad as Fred The Show. However Nickelodeon has had several classic shows like Avatar, Spongebob, Korra, Invader Zim, early to mid Fairly Odd Parents, and even Ren and Stimpy to name a few (I know I'm missing a few but whatever).

Also Richard Benson's entry does seem a little insensitive ...

JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2266: Jan 23rd 2021 at 12:03:58 PM

I have another suggestion for removal: the Academy Awards performance of Remember Me. Like with Tokyo Mirage Sessions, the entry just seems off to me - and once again, I can't quite put my finger on why.

[up]Insensitive entries do not an SBIH examples list make. I'm all for cutting Benson's entry.

[up][up]He wasn't saying Strider's or Fred's channels were bad. What are you talking about?

Edited by JHD on Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:10:25 PM

WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#2267: Jan 23rd 2021 at 12:11:59 PM

[up]She was talking about Nickelodeon. The post she was responding to said Nickelodeon had a terrible track record with making good shows, which is obviously not true

JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2268: Jan 23rd 2021 at 12:19:10 PM

[up]Gotcha. Now, with Marvin Marvin and Richard Benson out of the way, what about Remember Me? Anything wrong with that entry?

Edited by JHD on Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:21:49 PM

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#2269: Jan 23rd 2021 at 12:28:12 PM

[up] Yeah, I don't know if it belongs there. Super high like/dislike ratio on the video, and most comments seem to be positive (though most of them are in Spanish). I don't remember much negative reception, but apparently some people did criticize Bernal's singing. But the performance itself seems fondly remembered. The entry even praises aspects like the set design.

BTW, I found some previous posts about Marvin Marvin. We very recently considered it "watchable" instead of "horrible" but it seems to be a critical and commercial failure in a way that doesn't prevent it from being on Horrible. And it did have an entry, but it was a crappy early-2010's entry with First-Person Writing seemingly based entirely around a bad joke in the promos, so it was reasonably cut. It could maybe count if somebody can make a better entry?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:33:34 PM

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JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2270: Jan 23rd 2021 at 12:31:52 PM

[up]I thought the Oscars' own channel also had a video with a super high ratio and a slew of positive comments. I was wrong.

That being said, I'm in favor of cutting the Remember Me performance. Not sure why it was added at all, to be honest.

What do you guys think?

Edited by JHD on Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:55:11 PM

JHD Since: Jan, 2021
#2271: Jan 23rd 2021 at 2:08:24 PM

Decided to cut Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Remember Me.

ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#2272: Jan 23rd 2021 at 3:09:23 PM

Another questionable one on Horrible.Music Performances:

  • Usually, Emma Amelia Pearl Czikai is a very good musician. She has been known to move people to tears. But she also has hearing problems as the result of nerve degeneration. With proper audio feedback, she can correct for this... but in one case, on Britain's Got Talent, she was not provided with such. This was the result. Czikai would later file a discrimination complaint over the absence of said feedback, but it was dropped on the grounds that they only apply to job conditions.

This seems a bit ableist to call this "horrible".

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#2273: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:23:35 AM

[up]Ugh, yeah, ditch that for mocking the musician's disabilities. I can relate to that because my family has a history of hearing problems, and while my nerve problems are far less severe than hers (a herneated disc in my spine sometimes causes pain in my left arm and leg), nerve problems are no laughing matter.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:43:41 AM

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SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#2274: Jan 24th 2021 at 9:40:37 AM

Removed Benson's entry since the overall consensus here was in favor of cutting.

SpaceProtagonist Since: Sep, 2018
#2275: Jan 24th 2021 at 9:51:30 AM

Okay, so maybe I was going overboard with my previous statement towards Nickelodeon, and you guys do have a point with defending it. I was just so surprised with some of their less good entries, I can give the network another chance. Don't let me down.

Anyway, with that out of the way, here's my draft for Marvin Marvin:

Marvin Marvin is a comedy series following a teenage alien named Marvin who was sent to Earth by his parents in order to protect him from evil invaders on his home plane, Klooton. Under the supervision of his new human family, Marvin tries to adjust to life on Earth as a normal American teenager. Except, said alien is a vastly annoying and painfully unfunny lead. Plus the premise of an alien that comes to live on Earth was already overused by the time of its release, and here's it's not even constructed probably. Throw in a cast of unlikeable human characters, lousy acting, and stupid plots crafted into the episodes, and loads of disturbing gross-out humor and you've got a recipe of disaster that deserves its 2.3/10 IMDb score. It was canceled after one season with 19 episodes and missed by very few.

Edited by SpaceProtagonist on Jan 24th 2021 at 4:34:46 AM

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