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kablammin45 Much less of a jerk than he used to be from Whispering Pines Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Much less of a jerk than he used to be
May 21st 2020 at 9:38:38 PM

What would you guys say about adding the Six Flags ride Green Lantern: First Flight to the Rides section on Other? Admittedly, my knowledge about the coaster is limited to the recent Defunctland video about it, but apparently it was especially infamous among Six Flags visitors for being a very uncomfortable experience.

Edited by kablammin45 on May 21st 2020 at 12:42:36 PM

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Pemulis_128 A 20th Century Boy from Teleporting behind you Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A 20th Century Boy
May 22nd 2020 at 7:24:06 AM

My issue is that the same video also says that the coaster initially received positive reviews and reception before gaining a bad reputation later on. Would it fall more under Deader Than Disco than So Bad, It's Horrible in that case?

AlmightyKingPrawn Woo hoo! from Wackyland Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Woo hoo!
May 22nd 2020 at 7:34:17 AM

I have my questions for this entry.

  • The advertising campaign for Birds of Prey could very easily be a byword for not only how NOT to drum up hype for a major tentpole picture, but also how to set a movie up for failure, as its promo campaign is often seen as one of the reasons for the film's box office failure, among other things... and that's when this film was not being given the Invisible Advertising trearment. For a start, not a single teaser had arrived until September 2019... which might not have been such a bad thing had this not been literally five months before the release date. Said teaser debuted in front of It: Chapter Two, and starts out as a cringe-worthy parody before Harley Quinn pops one of Pennywise's red balloons, walks up to the camera and declares, "I'm so fucking over clowns!", before a confusing and poorly edited montage of out-of-context action sequences fly in front of the screen. This understandably left a bad taste in plenty of moviegoers' mouths, and the actual full trailer that debuted two months later was hardly any better, giving only vague details of the plot, and being a sequences of out-of-context clips that don't give any idea of what the film's supposed to be like at all, thus leaving several scratching their heads in sheer confusion. And apart from that, a number of equally confusing TV spots, incredibly bipolar print ads that looked like unicorn vomit, and some misandrist comments from director Cathy Yan that really did not help this bizarre mess of an advertising campaign. While the film was well received by critics and audiences in the end, the film suffered at the box office, with many holding the advertising (or lack thereof) up with facets such as the R Rating and COVID-19 outbreak as possible explanations.

It seems that the like/dislike ratios are skewed positive on the uploads, very much so in the case of the IT one. Does that disqualify it?

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kablammin45 Much less of a jerk than he used to be from Whispering Pines Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Much less of a jerk than he used to be
May 22nd 2020 at 12:17:00 PM

[up] I think it does, personally. That's like a 90:10 and 80:20 like/dislike ratio. Far from Horrible if you ask me.

[up][up] I feel like that just means it started out being popular, then became Horrible after receiving the changes that turned it into the painful experience that it was infamous for being later on, so maybe if it were listed on Horrible, it should have a disclaimer saying that it started out popular before becoming hated by Six Flags visitors.

Anyone have anything else to add on the subject of Green Lantern: First Flight?

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wingedcatgirl Beep boop I'm cute and pixely from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Beep boop I'm cute and pixely
May 22nd 2020 at 12:32:57 PM

wrt Denuvo: The thing is, all this outcry from gamers means little in SBIH terms, because gamers aren't the target audience for DRM and anti-cheats — game developers and publishers are. If it's doing what the target audience wants on terms acceptable to the target audience, no amount of hate from others can make it SBIH.

That said, you can certainly try demonstrating that it's unappealing even to its actual target audience.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:35:17 PM

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WarJay77 Tutorialhead from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Tutorialhead
May 22nd 2020 at 12:34:15 PM

Green Lantern might apply but I don't know much about it. It reminds me of the Fast and Furious ride though that I've heard really bad things about...though I'm not sure that one would qualify as being Horrible either.

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ShinyCottonCandy Resident CTR:NF Master from Wumpa Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Resident CTR:NF Master
May 22nd 2020 at 12:37:18 PM

[up][up]I brought this up previously, but the developers' fondness for Denuvo is due to a conflict of interest, so I would not give merit to their opinions.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 22nd 2020 at 3:37:30 PM

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wingedcatgirl Beep boop I'm cute and pixely from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Beep boop I'm cute and pixely
May 22nd 2020 at 12:39:12 PM

I don't think I follow.

e: I do see that you've said the phrase "conflict of interest", but I don't know what the conflict here is, or why it means we should ignore the opinions of this software's actual target market.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:44:28 PM

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ShinyCottonCandy Resident CTR:NF Master from Wumpa Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Resident CTR:NF Master
May 22nd 2020 at 12:44:34 PM

Well, if a book company had a technology that made pages disolve after they were read so they could prevent their books from, say, being library books so the publisher could sell more copies to individuals, the publisher may like it, and they'd definitely be the target audience, but the reason they like it is because it makes their own product less user-friendly. Obviously such technology is impossible for books, and would cause the end-users to avoid those books anyway, but that second point also applies to people who would buy games, but don't because of Denuvo.

I hope my metaphor makes sense.

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WarJay77 Tutorialhead from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Tutorialhead
May 22nd 2020 at 12:47:11 PM

Then in that case, the fact that it does it's job well enough to satisfy the target audience at all would mean it does appeal to a niche. Regardless of why this niche likes it, they wouldn't if the product was legitimately horrible- because it'd fail for them too.

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wingedcatgirl Beep boop I'm cute and pixely from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Beep boop I'm cute and pixely
May 22nd 2020 at 12:51:33 PM

I don't think DRM has ever made a product more user-friendly. The only DRM I've ever heard of gamers preferring over a DRM-free product is Steam, and that only briefly. Should the entire concept of DRM be deemed SBIH?

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ShinyCottonCandy Resident CTR:NF Master from Wumpa Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Resident CTR:NF Master
May 22nd 2020 at 12:52:21 PM

Personally, I don't think scam artists should be considered a legitimate niche audience, (which would also apply to the case of Denuvo because the publisher in question tried to force it upon customers after their purchase, when they couldn't have factored it into their decision), but if that's the definition of So Bad, It's Horrible...

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KingofNightmares Dark Dragon
Dark Dragon
May 22nd 2020 at 12:54:54 PM

We cut the Burger King thing ad because it was more of the internet that was the problem. In that case, we should look at this entry (also from Advertising):

It looks more like the internet was what messed this up, just like the Burger King one

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wingedcatgirl Beep boop I'm cute and pixely from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Beep boop I'm cute and pixely
May 22nd 2020 at 12:55:22 PM

Denuvo has been used by more than one publisher. Are they all scam artists? Can this be demonstrated independently of the fact that they chose to use Denuvo?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:55:55 PM

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WarJay77 Tutorialhead from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Tutorialhead
May 22nd 2020 at 12:56:35 PM

[up][up] I agree. The campaign itself was fine, the internet is just full of assholes.

As for [up][up][up], I mean, I could go either way. I'm just pointing out that if anyone legitimately likes something, even if it's for scummy reasons, and enough people like that exist...

Edit: Got ninja'd, fixed the arrows.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 22nd 2020 at 3:58:48 PM

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ShinyCottonCandy Resident CTR:NF Master from Wumpa Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Resident CTR:NF Master
May 22nd 2020 at 12:57:55 PM

[up][up]I could argue such, but that would probably be derailingly political, so I'll drop it.

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KingofNightmares Dark Dragon
Dark Dragon
May 22nd 2020 at 1:05:00 PM

[up][up] I cut it

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supernintendo128 Weeaboo extraordinare from My desk Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Weeaboo extraordinare
May 22nd 2020 at 4:51:04 PM

Guys, I am not referring to Denuvo DRM, which has been around for a while and, despite being controversial, does not have enough of a case to qualify as horrible. I'm talking about Denuvo Anti-Cheat, which is a new product from the company, and is horrible for all of the reasons I've described. You people seem to be getting the two mixed up. I do not believe that Denuvo DRM qualifies as horrible, but I believe that Denuvo Anti-Cheat does.

Edited by supernintendo128 on May 22nd 2020 at 6:57:55 AM

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GastonRabbit Frequent Serial Tweaker from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Frequent Serial Tweaker
May 22nd 2020 at 6:40:07 PM

If it gives itself full control over the OS, then yeah, that sounds pretty bad, but are you sure that doesn't fit under Idiot Programming or Idiot Design? Denuvo DRM is on Idiot Programming (but not Idiot Design), but Denuvo Anti-Cheat isn't on either of those pages.

Edit: Link to the post about Denuvo Anti-Cheat.

Also, I'm not sure if we're supposed to be listing software (aside from video games; not sure if software directly tied to video games like anti-tampering software counts) as SBIH, even on Horrible.Other (despite there being a folder for it). As I previously mentioned, Horrible.Software is on the Permanent Red Link Club.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 22nd 2020 at 8:46:27 AM

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supernintendo128 Weeaboo extraordinare from My desk Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Weeaboo extraordinare
May 23rd 2020 at 1:16:27 PM

[up]Okay, after considering what you said and after reviewing why Horrible.Software was perma-redlink'd, I think Denuvo Anti-Cheat should be in Idiot Programming instead of here, but then let's discuss why software is listed in Horrible.Other if software is not allowed.

Here's my analysis for all of the entries listed in the Software folder:


  • cpedia was a bizarre attempt by failed Google competitor Cuil to combine a search engine with an encyclopedia. Basically a search engine that would format the results as wiki-like pages, cpedia's pages were little more than incomprehensible, schizophrenic messes. Cuil, and by extension cpedia, has since been put out of its misery, but many reports of its failure remain. But at least we got a meme out of it.
    "I threw up a little in my mouth trying to decipher the results for Batman Returns, which according to Cpedia includes such characters as Heath Ledger and Edward Scissorhands."
This is a search engine, not traditional software. Also I don't think this entry does a good job of explaining why it belongs here (and relying on the reader to click on external sources doesn't count). Maybe if properly re-writen, it can be moved to the Miscellaneous folder.
  • Microsoft Bob was a shell for Windows 3.1 designed for people new to computing. The desktop was designed as one of several rooms, with each application represented as an item in said room, and a "guide" character talked the user through whatever they were trying to do. The problems here were severalfold, but the most important: there were multiple complaints that the concept itself treated the user like a child, condescending to them in every way. What's more, Windows 95 debuted soon after Bob's release, proving to be just as - if not more - user-friendly than Bob without the childish overtones. Bob's only real legacy was the "guides", which used an early version of Microsoft Agent—the technology behind the notorious Office Assistant characters (including Clippy) and BonziBuddy—as well as, according to Raymond Chen, being included in the Windows XP setup CD as a means of slowing down the download of illegal copies. On top of all this, putting your password in wrong three times in a row would result in the system unlocking and recommending you change your password, which made having a password in the first place pointless. It was a flop, particularly due to its hardware requirements note , which most home computers at the time were not able to meet. Lazy Game Reviews takes a look at Microsoft Bob here, and while he doesn't believe it's as bad as most people think it is, he still has little positive to say about it. In LGR's video, he says that BOB's flaws are way overblown. This gives me the impression that most people who crap on BOB have not actually used the software firsthand and only crap on it because others did. By its own admission, this does not qualify as Horrible. I think the password bit can be moved to Idiot Programming though, as that's a pretty big security hole.
  • Microsoft's Windows operating system has had its ups and downs; however, some troughs are deeper than the rest:
    • Microsoft Windows ME (Millennium Edition): In addition to being a pointless stopgap Windows version between Windows 98 and Windows XP that was developed in just one year, this OS was a bug-ridden mess with terrible security,note  horrible stability,note  and very poor compatibility with older software.note  Its failure resulted in its much-better designed companion OS Windows 2000, originally intended for servers, businesses and power users, becoming more widespread among the general public. Not surprisingly, Microsoft quickly abandoned Windows ME once Windows XPnote  was released, with all support for ME being terminated on the same date as Windows 98 (July 11, 2006),note  and it's now considered by many technology publications and critics to be one of the biggest misfires in computing history, to the point that a common nickname for it is "Mistake Edition"). The Science Elf defends Windows ME in this video, calling it "ahead of its time" and cites all of the multimedia features it introduced before Windows XP. He takes it all back in the end because of how many times the OS crashed while recording the video and then says that it really is as bad as people make it out to be.
      • The main cause of the infamous BSOD in Millennium Edition was due to it being a transitional OS, supporting both the older VxD driver types and the newer Windows Driver Model DLL system we all know today. It could individually support either of these adequately... but if a process called for both, it shat itself in spectacular fashion, resulting in a bluescreen and byzantine error code that often referred to the aforementioned VxD. A good deal of the reason that 2000 and XP were significantly more stable, even while buggy on launch, was because they rejected the old system outright - old hardware and programs simply not running on a new OS is a bummer, but it upsets people much less than an OS claiming compatibility with old hardware and programs and then killing itself entirely from trying. That said, this is even more damning when this is exactly the sort of thing a transitional OS should be designed to handle, especially as Windows 98 featured similar support for both legacy and more modern drivers. These fall more under Idiot Programming, and could be cut.
    • Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1809 remains infamous as the most appalling update to date for a Windows version that was already infamous for having its own ups and downs even by Windows standards. Due to a litany of delays, Microsoft somehow thought it would be a good idea to send this one right out the door without so much as a Release Preview. The end result: a bug-plagued update that, among other things, permanently deleted users' files, most notoriously in their Photos and Documents folders, without their permission upon starting up. It soon mushroomed into a stupefyingly endless game of Whack-A-Mole to stamp out all the bugs Microsoft could find, including driver compatibility issues and problems with Intel's processors, all of which resulted in Windows 10's reputation going into the Recycle Bin overnight, to the point where some users are actively resisting updates on principle to this day, simply because they believe it could always get worse. The worst part is that Windows Insiders had been aware of the file deletion bug for months, but were unable to get Microsoft's attention before release day because the reports go by an upvote system - it only happened to a small number of users in testing, and upvotes only truly indicate a bug's severity in how widespread it is rather than in terms of damage done, meaning a widespread annoying bug where the start menu opened every time the computer woke up from sleep mode would seem like a catastrophe but this legitimate catastrophe would seem like an annoyance. Even worse, Microsoft misinterpreted the few reports they did see as being related to a previous bugnote  because Insiders didn't know this new one was related to OneDrive's Known Folder Redirection feature and couldn't give specifics that would have told Microsoft that this was different. Jerry "Barnacules Nerdgasm" Berg, a former QA department employee at Microsoft, blames the general Dork Age Windows 10 updates are currently suffering, including 1809, on Microsoft making most of their QA team redundant and relying exclusively on the Insider Program for real-world, non-VM testing, all but outright saying that even with Vista and ME in mind, a catastrophe like this would never have happened under his team's watch because Microsoft executives would have heard about it. Eventually, Microsoft decided to cut its losses and end all support for Version 1809 on May 12, 2020note , an event Laptop Magazine deemed big enough, due to all the controversy, to cover here, but the damage had been done, and in part due to only comparatively better updates having their own fair share of problems Windows 10 has obtained a well-earned reputation for updates that fix some problems only to introduce others. Also falls under Idiot Programming.
  • SoftRAM was a product that, from the get go, sounded too good to be true: it was sold as a cost-effective way to double a computer's random-access memory without having to buy additional RAM sticks or another computer altogether. At the time, Windows 95 was about to hit the shelves and not everyone had the 4 megabytes of memory to install the OS, and SoftRAM's developer Syncronys pushed the product heavily for users who didn't want to spend additional money. However, it was too good to be true, as it didn't even attempt to touch a computer's memory. Instead, the closest thing SoftRAM did to alter the system in any way was to increase the size of Windows' page file, which a typical user can easily do with absolutely no cost whatsoever and would provide a minimal performance improvement at best. The Federal Trade Commission and dozens of customers sued Syncronys into bankruptcy for false advertising for both this and other failed products, and the product was unceremoniously pulled from stores in December 1995. Nowadays, SoftRAM's the definitive example of snake oil software, and PC World named it the third worst tech product of all time in 2006. Watch Nostalgia Nerd trash the product here, and Digital Trends has an article outlining the whole scheme. I think this is the one piece of software that genuinely qualifies. It's not horrible because it's poorly programmed (meaning it doesn't fall into Idiot Programming), it's horrible because it does not do what it was advertised to do, nor was it ever intended to do it.

Edited by supernintendo128 on May 23rd 2020 at 3:16:43 AM

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chucknormie Meh. from DEMACIA! Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Meh.
May 23rd 2020 at 1:36:23 PM

Thinking of adding the The Island Of Giant Insects 2020 movie to SBIH, it has a rating of 4.81 on MAL and 38/100 on Ani List. I believe ANN's rating gave it a D+, which is why I'm hesitant on adding it.

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WarJay77 Tutorialhead from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Tutorialhead
May 23rd 2020 at 1:45:33 PM

[up][up] Still reading through all the text there, but regarding BOB...it doesn't matter if one reviewer thinks the product isn't horrible. One person can have any opinion they want. But if the sheer majority of people hate the product, it doesn't matter if one person thinks their complaints are "overblown". You seem to be misunderstanding the requirements for SBIH, as it's heavily based around audience perception in addition to genuine flaws and fanbases can theoretically exist for a SBIH work- they just need to be so small they're practically non-existent.

I'm not saying it wouldn't belong better in Idiot Programming, but I am saying that your idea of what does and doesn't make something count seems a bit skewed, as the words of one reviewer is meaningless if the rest of the world disagrees.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 23rd 2020 at 4:50:09 AM

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GastonRabbit Frequent Serial Tweaker from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Frequent Serial Tweaker
May 23rd 2020 at 3:28:53 PM

Microsoft BOB is already on Idiot Design because of how badly designed it is. As was said in the TRS thread for Idiot Programming (which led to the launch of Idiot Design), regarding why it doesn't belong on Idiot Programming instead of Idiot Design, "it does exactly what it was meant to do - it's just that what it does is stupid".

Edit: Also, SoftRAM would be more Idiot Design than Idiot Programming. As with Microsoft BOB, it does what it was intended to do, but what it was intended to do is pointless, not to mention a waste of money, since Windows has a built-in feature for using part of the hard drive in place of RAM (including choosing how much space is used).

Edit: Zuxtron posted this in the TRS thread for Idiot Programming (I was referencing that post when discussing Microsoft Bob):

Windows ME is on both pages. Microsoft Bob isn't exactly Idiot Programming, since it does exactly what it was meant to do - it's just that what it does is stupid. cPedia could be moved to Idiot Programming.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 23rd 2020 at 5:43:08 AM

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AlmightyKingPrawn Woo hoo! from Wackyland Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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May 23rd 2020 at 4:21:14 PM

Just added to Music Songs

  • "Bitch Got a Penis" by Your Favorite Martian is a song that even the most devoted of what remains of Ray William Johnson's fanbase won't defend. The song's title is quite literally the only lyric in the entire song, meaning that for three minutes and twenty five seconds all you'll hear is vocalist "Big Rob" groaning "Bitch Got a Penis!" over and over again while accompanied by an obnoxious EDM beat and synths. It's generally agreed that all of YFM's music was bad in hindsight, but this track is the one that is looked upon as the absolute worst piece of music that Ray William Johnson has written (even more so than the infamous "Doin' Your Mom"). Anthony Fantano went as far as to rank it as the second worst single of the 2010s.

I feel this is complaining just as much about songs that aren't horrible as it is about the song listed. Also while there are still a ton of dislikes the likes still outweigh them.

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WarJay77 Tutorialhead from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Tutorialhead
May 23rd 2020 at 5:00:44 PM

Anyway, on this note, should we go through the video games pages too to see what better fits under Idiot Programming?

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