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What would you guys say about adding the Six Flags ride Green Lantern: First Flight to the Rides section on Other? Admittedly, my knowledge about the coaster is limited to the recent Defunctland video about it, but apparently it was especially infamous among Six Flags visitors for being a very uncomfortable experience.
Edited by kablammin45 on May 21st 2020 at 12:42:36 PM
My issue is that the same video also says that the coaster initially received positive reviews and reception before gaining a bad reputation later on. Would it fall more under Deader Than Disco than So Bad, It's Horrible in that case?
I have my questions for this entry.
It seems that the like/dislike ratios are skewed positive on the uploads, very much so in the case of the IT one. Does that disqualify it?
I think it does, personally. That's like a 90:10 and 80:20 like/dislike ratio. Far from Horrible if you ask me.
I feel like that just means it started out being popular, then became Horrible after receiving the changes that turned it into the painful experience that it was infamous for being later on, so maybe if it were listed on Horrible, it should have a disclaimer saying that it started out popular before becoming hated by Six Flags visitors.
Anyone have anything else to add on the subject of Green Lantern: First Flight?
wrt Denuvo: The thing is, all this outcry from gamers means little in SBIH terms, because gamers aren't the target audience for DRM and anti-cheats — game developers and publishers are. If it's doing what the target audience wants on terms acceptable to the target audience, no amount of hate from others can make it SBIH.
That said, you can certainly try demonstrating that it's unappealing even to its actual target audience.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:35:17 PM
Green Lantern might apply but I don't know much about it. It reminds me of the Fast and Furious ride though that I've heard really bad things about...though I'm not sure that one would qualify as being Horrible either.
I brought this up previously, but the developers' fondness for Denuvo is due to a conflict of interest, so I would not give merit to their opinions.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 22nd 2020 at 3:37:30 PM
I don't think I follow.
e: I do see that you've said the phrase "conflict of interest", but I don't know what the conflict here is, or why it means we should ignore the opinions of this software's actual target market.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:44:28 PM
Well, if a book company had a technology that made pages disolve after they were read so they could prevent their books from, say, being library books so the publisher could sell more copies to individuals, the publisher may like it, and they'd definitely be the target audience, but the reason they like it is because it makes their own product less user-friendly. Obviously such technology is impossible for books, and would cause the end-users to avoid those books anyway, but that second point also applies to people who would buy games, but don't because of Denuvo.
I hope my metaphor makes sense.
Then in that case, the fact that it does it's job well enough to satisfy the target audience at all would mean it does appeal to a niche. Regardless of why this niche likes it, they wouldn't if the product was legitimately horrible- because it'd fail for them too.
I don't think DRM has ever made a product more user-friendly. The only DRM I've ever heard of gamers preferring over a DRM-free product is Steam, and that only briefly. Should the entire concept of DRM be deemed SBIH?
Personally, I don't think scam artists should be considered a legitimate niche audience, (which would also apply to the case of Denuvo because the publisher in question tried to force it upon customers after their purchase, when they couldn't have factored it into their decision), but if that's the definition of So Bad, It's Horrible...
We cut the Burger King thing ad because it was more of the internet that was the problem. In that case, we should look at this entry (also from Advertising):
It looks more like the internet was what messed this up, just like the Burger King one
Denuvo has been used by more than one publisher. Are they all scam artists? Can this be demonstrated independently of the fact that they chose to use Denuvo?
Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 22nd 2020 at 12:55:55 PM
I agree. The campaign itself was fine, the internet is just full of assholes.
As for , I mean, I could go either way. I'm just pointing out that if anyone legitimately likes something, even if it's for scummy reasons, and enough people like that exist...
Edit: Got ninja'd, fixed the arrows.
Edited by WarJay77 on May 22nd 2020 at 3:58:48 PM
I could argue such, but that would probably be derailingly political, so I'll drop it.
I cut it
Guys, I am not referring to Denuvo DRM, which has been around for a while and, despite being controversial, does not have enough of a case to qualify as horrible. I'm talking about Denuvo Anti-Cheat, which is a new product from the company, and is horrible for all of the reasons I've described. You people seem to be getting the two mixed up. I do not believe that Denuvo DRM qualifies as horrible, but I believe that Denuvo Anti-Cheat does.
Edited by supernintendo128 on May 22nd 2020 at 6:57:55 AM
If it gives itself full control over the OS, then yeah, that sounds pretty bad, but are you sure that doesn't fit under Idiot Programming or Idiot Design? Denuvo DRM is on Idiot Programming (but not Idiot Design), but Denuvo Anti-Cheat isn't on either of those pages.
Edit: Link to the post about Denuvo Anti-Cheat.
Also, I'm not sure if we're supposed to be listing software (aside from video games; not sure if software directly tied to video games like anti-tampering software counts) as SBIH, even on Horrible.Other (despite there being a folder for it). As I previously mentioned, Horrible.Software is on the Permanent Red Link Club.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 22nd 2020 at 8:46:27 AM
Okay, after considering what you said and after reviewing why Horrible.Software was perma-redlink'd, I think Denuvo Anti-Cheat should be in Idiot Programming instead of here, but then let's discuss why software is listed in Horrible.Other if software is not allowed.
Here's my analysis for all of the entries listed in the Software folder:
Edited by supernintendo128 on May 23rd 2020 at 3:16:43 AM
Thinking of adding the The Island Of Giant Insects 2020 movie to SBIH, it has a rating of 4.81 on MAL and 38/100 on Ani List. I believe ANN's rating gave it a D+, which is why I'm hesitant on adding it.
Still reading through all the text there, but regarding BOB...it doesn't matter if one reviewer thinks the product isn't horrible. One person can have any opinion they want. But if the sheer majority of people hate the product, it doesn't matter if one person thinks their complaints are "overblown". You seem to be misunderstanding the requirements for SBIH, as it's heavily based around audience perception in addition to genuine flaws and fanbases can theoretically exist for a SBIH work- they just need to be so small they're practically non-existent.
I'm not saying it wouldn't belong better in Idiot Programming, but I am saying that your idea of what does and doesn't make something count seems a bit skewed, as the words of one reviewer is meaningless if the rest of the world disagrees.
Edited by WarJay77 on May 23rd 2020 at 4:50:09 AM
Microsoft BOB is already on Idiot Design because of how badly designed it is. As was said in the TRS thread for Idiot Programming (which led to the launch of Idiot Design), regarding why it doesn't belong on Idiot Programming instead of Idiot Design, "it does exactly what it was meant to do - it's just that what it does is stupid".
Edit: Also, SoftRAM would be more Idiot Design than Idiot Programming. As with Microsoft BOB, it does what it was intended to do, but what it was intended to do is pointless, not to mention a waste of money, since Windows has a built-in feature for using part of the hard drive in place of RAM (including choosing how much space is used).
Edit: Zuxtron posted this in the TRS thread for Idiot Programming (I was referencing that post when discussing Microsoft Bob):
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 23rd 2020 at 5:43:08 AM
Just added to Music Songs
I feel this is complaining just as much about songs that aren't horrible as it is about the song listed. Also while there are still a ton of dislikes the likes still outweigh them.
Anyway, on this note, should we go through the video games pages too to see what better fits under Idiot Programming?
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