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So Bad, It's Horrible is one of the more flame-bait-y parts of the site, so a cleanup thread is needed to ensure that works aren't added simply because someone doesn't like them.

If you want to list a work under this, keep the following in mind:

  • The work must have very few fans or defenders (both genuine and ironic). It should fail to appeal to any type of audience.
  • Being offensive in its subject matter isn't enough.
  • It isn't horrible just because a certain critic disliked it, though their reviews can be used as sources and citations.
  • The work should have notably poor reviews (e.g., less than 3/10 on IMDb, or single digit scores on Rotten Tomatoes)
  • For a Moral Substitute to qualify, it cannot even appeal to its target demographic.
  • Please be polite while writing and as much as possible, avoid falling into Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. Instead, focus on explaining why the work is horrible.

In addition, per No Recent Examples, Please!, a work must be at least one month old before it can be added, to prevent knee-jerk reactions.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 6th 2024 at 3:34:45 AM

kablammin45 art lizer from Cleese's Battle Circuit (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
art lizer
#5876: Jul 29th 2023 at 11:21:29 AM

Since a lot of discussions about the Horrible pages happen here anyway and nobody really uses the discussion pages anymore (I mean, as it is now, the links to Discussion pages are very easy to overlook), I wonder if we should make an amendment to the rules sections of the pages to direct people here to this specific thread instead of the discussion pages since people are more likely to see suggestions for the SBIH pages here than the Discussion pages (tbh, I wonder why we even still have them at this point?).

That way we can avoid another case of a suggestion flying completely under peoples' radar for two years like this again.

"Hey, least I didn't lose all my artistic talent when I crash landed in the arena here."
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#5877: Jul 29th 2023 at 11:43:04 AM

I know its a bit of a drastic measure but I think we should either rework the discussion sections to make them more populated or just remove them entirely because they seem to be creating more problems than they solve.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5878: Jul 29th 2023 at 1:32:14 PM

What do you think of my subpage for video game creators. Sandbox.Horrible Video Games Companies And Developers

Edited by randomtroper89 on Aug 1st 2023 at 2:04:01 PM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#5879: Jul 29th 2023 at 2:02:52 PM

Do we need to divide them into folders? (Also, the page could use cleanup in general)

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5880: Jul 29th 2023 at 4:36:51 PM

Well as I said before, it is almost 20k in word count.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Jul 29th 2023 at 6:38:05 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#5881: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:34:30 PM

The description on the page for Out of Jimmy's Head says it got "mediocre" ratings and reviews, and its reception section on Wikipedia is mostly negative, but cites some positive reviews and even some award nominations. Its IMDB sucks but its 3 Rotten Tomatoes critical scores are positive, albeit not glowing. While it's loathed by the CN fandom, I'm unsure if it truly counts as Horrible. Just bad.

[down]CN Real actually didn't exist yet, but either way it feels like it was added out of spite for live-action programming on CN in general. It's not a good show or movie at all but is it Horrible?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 29th 2023 at 10:55:30 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#5882: Jul 29th 2023 at 7:52:30 PM

I definitely feel like it was treated with more vitriol than necessary for being a live-action show on CN. It's definitely bad, but it seems like much of the hatred came specifically due to the fact that people already hated CN Real.

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We stan Clippy in this house
#5883: Jul 29th 2023 at 8:53:21 PM

I do remember enjoying the show as a kid, though I don't know if that opinion would still hold up.

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.
KUnlimited Since: Sep, 2020
#5884: Jul 30th 2023 at 3:48:48 AM

[up] ×4 It seems that the Disfact entry is about fan games, so it can be cut since we're removing them from SBIH.

[down][down] I see.

Edited by KUnlimited on Jul 30th 2023 at 7:03:21 PM

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#5885: Jul 30th 2023 at 5:44:56 AM

For Active Enterprises, do we need to list individual games within Action 52?

Also, was Cheetahmen II ever officially released? If not, it can be cut.

Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
#5886: Jul 30th 2023 at 8:53:17 AM

[up][up] The two disfact fan games on that page (which I moved to the folder the page is based on) had price tags at release, which should let them qualify despite being fan games. There was a third disfact game on the Fan Games page that I didn't copy over since it was always free.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5887: Jul 30th 2023 at 12:43:47 PM

Looking at Horrible Video Games Companies And Developers I noticed the Nice Code Software and zhenhe xue and shao zheng entries are zero context and don't list any games.

Also the Digital Homicide Studios example tree spends way to much time about the history of the studio. I actually cut it down quite a bit, but maybe it needs to be removed entirely.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Aug 1st 2023 at 11:39:51 AM

AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#5888: Jul 30th 2023 at 9:46:15 PM

[up] I mean, the ridiculous lawsuits are a big part of their infamy. Maybe doesn't need historic detail outside of their hostility to criticism though (which, granted is most of it, so really just a trim).

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#5889: Jul 30th 2023 at 11:13:08 PM

I think the fact they sued a critic and tried to subeona the personal information of Steam users who said mean things about their games is worth bringing up but merely as a footnote.

Once Upon A Time.
DDRMASTERM do you wanna have a bad time? from Someplace, Utah, USA Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
do you wanna have a bad time?
#5890: Jul 31st 2023 at 6:18:42 AM

[up][up][up] They wouldn’t be nearly as infamous if not for their Frivolous Lawsuit so it deserves to be mentioned. And they are a classic Shovelware company that released their crappy games for money so I’m not seeing a reason to cut them.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5891: Jul 31st 2023 at 11:03:50 AM

I was talking about cutting the history of the studio, not the games themselves.

worldwidewoomy (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#5892: Jul 31st 2023 at 8:47:59 PM

yeah, everything relating to the lawsuit or the Romine's other antics is irrelevant to the games' quality (or lack thereof).

Edited by worldwidewoomy on Jul 31st 2023 at 10:49:52 AM

DDRMASTERM do you wanna have a bad time? from Someplace, Utah, USA Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
do you wanna have a bad time?
#5893: Jul 31st 2023 at 8:59:52 PM

[up][up] Trim it, sure, but it probably deserves to stay because they wouldn't be nearly as infamous if not for that infamously petty lawsuit. Though, if the consensus is against me, then go for it.

Also, I brought it up twice while I was doing my Advertising Cleanup, but we probably need to update the "Important Note" on that page. Here's my proper rewrite:

Important Notes:

  1. Merely being offensive in its subject matter is not enough to justify a work as Horrible. Hard as it is to imagine at times, there is a market for all types of deviancy (no matter how small a niche it is). It has to fail to appeal even to that niche to qualify as this.

  2. This page is specifically about horrible advertisements, not cases where the advertised product is horrible, which should be taken to its respective subpage. A competent ad can sell a bad product or controversial idea, even if they must lie or generate controversy to do so. Also, an ad is not horrible because the product is shown honestly and is not to the audience's tastes note . The ad must be horrible even by the intended goals of an advertisement to qualify.

  3. An advertisement isn't bad because Saber Spark, The Nostalgia Critic, or any other Caustic Critic reviewed it. There needs to be independent evidence, such as actual professional pannings or news articles, to list it. Once it is listed, those critics can provide the detailed review(s).

If anybody has additional input, do let me know.

Edited by DDRMASTERM on Jul 31st 2023 at 10:31:30 AM

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RWBYraikou888 The Undercover Troper from The Kingdom of Atlas Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Undercover Troper
#5895: Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:37:44 PM

I have a slight issue on Horrible.Music: Soundtracks with the entry on The Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall. While I agree with the entry for the most part and feel it deserves its place, I think the last sentence is a bit of an overexaggeration. "[It] practically destroyed what little goodwill anyone had left towards Doug." While the review is sometimes held over his head, it wasn't anywhere near enough to drive away his fanbase completely, as there are still plenty of dedicated fans who haven't suffered Fan Disillusionment, and it most definitely was not a Creator Killer; Doug is still going strong even after the backlash the review caused.

Edited by RWBYraikou888 on Aug 3rd 2023 at 2:38:00 PM

Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
DDRMASTERM do you wanna have a bad time? from Someplace, Utah, USA Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
do you wanna have a bad time?
#5896: Aug 4th 2023 at 9:10:42 AM

[up] For reference for the thread, this is the current closing sentence:

  • To this day, it is the lowest-rated album on Rate Your Music, and practically destroyed what little goodwill anyone had left towards Doug.

It probably does deserve a re-write toning it down a bit, especially since he’s had a bit of a resurgence from OneyPlays making jokes about him and other Channel Awesome figures.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#5897: Aug 4th 2023 at 9:43:50 AM

Also I think him being a terrible person did way more to destroy his reputation than making shit music.

Once Upon A Time.
FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#5898: Aug 4th 2023 at 10:38:39 AM

[up] That is true, but also not relevant to example.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#5899: Aug 4th 2023 at 10:43:10 AM

I feel like when this whole thing happened it did feel like people had fully turned on Doug. Obviously in hindsight he recovered somewhat, but it was sort of a perfect storm of bad things happening. I would probably remove that part of the example, though.

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bowserbros No longer active. from Elsewhere Since: May, 2014
No longer active.
#5900: Aug 4th 2023 at 11:21:42 AM

I added the mention of the Rate Your Music rating because I felt that, being a relatively well known site oriented around dedicated music nerds, its metrics were worth citing, but yeah the "destroyed all remaining goodwill" part can be rewritten to something less hyperbolic.

Edited by bowserbros on Aug 4th 2023 at 11:22:14 AM

Be kind.

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