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TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
Sep 27th 2019 at 12:46:49 PM

[up] What he said. Let's bury the hatchet.

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WarJay77 Daily reminder to drink water. from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Daily reminder to drink water.
Sep 27th 2019 at 12:48:26 PM

[up] She, but ye

[down] No big smile

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2019 at 3:54:45 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
Sep 27th 2019 at 12:49:53 PM

Whoops, sorry. I'm a she that gets called a he a lot too.

SP00PY month!
Sep 27th 2019 at 1:45:59 PM

As I previously said, I would like to know a mod's opinion on the note. If we're talking accuracy, it is an accurate fact that Trump did make insulting/dismissive comments about the minorities shown in the video, and that's it.

Yes, I do have low tolerance for anyone who even slightly supports or defends Trump, the fact the man began his run insulting my country (and yes, he did outright say that only some Mexicans were good people) plays a huge part on it. The note is unwittingly defending Trump, and nothing will change my mind on it. If the thing is supposed to be neutral and objective, the note has to go.

TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
Sep 27th 2019 at 1:50:31 PM

Should this be taken to Ask The Tropers?

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WarJay77 Daily reminder to drink water. from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Daily reminder to drink water.
Sep 27th 2019 at 1:52:28 PM

-Sigh-

Yes, he's said insulting things, but not those insulting things. He's said some really bad shit, but he never claimed to actually hate these people, which is what the video is claiming. And all the note says is that Trump never actually said he hated these groups. That's a fact. You even admitted it was a fact. Please stop trying to make this about whether or not it's defending him. It's just about the literal facts.

Sure, take it to ATT, whatever. We do need more voices on this, though so far there's only one other person on this thread to disagree with the note...

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2019 at 4:53:15 AM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
nombretomado the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Sep 27th 2019 at 3:05:33 PM

I'm not sure why there is a mod request for review, as clean-up threads typically work by consensus. Mods are usually called in for clarification, or if there is an outstanding mod declaration that may warrant further review.

That being said, as an editor contributing to the discussion, I think the only way this example of political advertising can stand is if it's clearly defined what is true and what is false. If the note is accurate, without being worded in such a way that makes it a defense of his hateful rhetoric (i.e. "obviously these were fabricated, and he never would imply such a thing"), then it should stay. How it is written now - pointing out that the ad is inaccurate on this case, and that case - is not an inherent defense.

MichaelKatsuro Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Sep 27th 2019 at 5:20:34 PM

LTM 402: If an ad claims that Trump said a specific thing, and he never said that specific thing, then the ad is lying. It doesn't matter that he is very bigoted in other ways—the question is about whether he actually said this thing, and the answer is that he did not.

If somebody says that Hitler killed 10,000,000 Jews, and I point out that that's not true, I'm not defending Adolf Hitler. I'm simply stating the objective fact that a made-up falsehood is just that: a made-up falsehood.

Sep 27th 2019 at 6:30:06 PM

Fine, I'll accept your decision.

Sep 28th 2019 at 11:15:41 AM

Sonic Gather Battle is currently on Horrible.Fan Games. The people who have played the game admit that it's actually a high-quality game, and the sole reason it's considered Horrible is because the game has DRM that turns it into a creepypasta and sends your IP address (and possibly other information) to the creator if you run cheat programs or type "Sonic Gather Battle cheats/mods/hacks" into your browser's search.

These are some pretty horrible things to do, but if the game itself is good and works well (as long as you don't activate the DRM), does it really qualify as SBIH?

Sep 28th 2019 at 11:47:23 AM

[up] Honestly, I'm not sure, but I'm currently leaning to "no". Might be a better fit for Overshadowed by Controversy

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TalesofUnder THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF from The Murder Hotel Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF
Sep 28th 2019 at 12:35:38 PM

Does Take Me to Heaven on the Smartphone Games subpage really count? Its only on there because it could have resulted in broken phones..... but it was never actually released.

Edited by TalesofUnder on Sep 29th 2019 at 2:35:53 AM

I was helping someone load his van He threw me in, now here I am
rjd1922 The Radio Demon from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
The Radio Demon
Sep 28th 2019 at 12:48:54 PM

Sonic Gather Battle is actually well-made and is already on OvershadowedByControversy.Video Games.

[up]We have Tattoo Assassins which was never officially released either.

I haven't been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929!
WarJay77 Daily reminder to drink water. from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Daily reminder to drink water.
Sep 28th 2019 at 1:21:45 PM

Hmmm...I'm torn. On one hand, something being so bad it breaks the console it's on is pretty damn bad, but on the other hand, if it was never released...IDK.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Sep 28th 2019 at 2:06:40 PM

If it was never actually released, I'd refrain from putting it up.

Irene Night Terrier from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Night Terrier
Sep 28th 2019 at 4:53:04 PM

It sounds like it broke phones during some kind of beta testing or something, then. But it's still an unreleased work anyway, only in beta at best. It's not really an example, then. Unless the actual beta is completely available online via download, not behind any paywall, etc, then it shouldn't be a proper example. That feels like something that would be best under Obvious Beta on an Unpublished Works page instead if anywhere.

Omega Psycho Rangers Quest 64 Discord(very much safe for work)
Sep 28th 2019 at 6:18:39 PM

If Tattoo Assassins was never released, I think it should be removed, since there's no way to prove that it would still be as bad had it been completed and released.

rjd1922 The Radio Demon from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
The Radio Demon
Sep 28th 2019 at 6:53:10 PM

[up][up]Why would being behind a paywall disqualify it?

The fact that nearly two dozen Tattoo Assassins cabinets were produced according to The Other Wiki indicates to me that they were ready to release it in that state. I removed Sonic Gather Battle from Fan Games.

    Sonic Gather Battle entry for reference 
  • Sonic Gather Battle would be a halfway decent beat-'em-up if not for DRM so intrusive that it qualifies as malware: When installed and executed, the game would alter registry files and call for raw disk access, behavior typical of malware, in order to detect whether players attempted to alter the game's files or look up cheats online, in which case it would cause the game to devolve into pure, unadulterated Nightmare Fuel. The reason behind the developer implementing such malicious code into his own game? After seeing his "custom-made" sprites being dumped online, which were really sprites he stole from the various Game Boy Advance Sonic games and effects by other artists, he decided to get back at those for uploading them to the public. The developer was promptly banned from SAGE and his game was swiftly taken down due to his actions, and despite his efforts to keep users away from ripping the game's sprites, it didn't stop some people from finding a way to bypass the game's malicious DRM and upload them again out of spite.

Edited by rjd1922 on Oct 4th 2019 at 5:52:40 AM

I haven't been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929!
TalesofUnder THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF from The Murder Hotel Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF
Sep 28th 2019 at 8:14:34 PM

While were on the subject of Video Games: Other....

There are some small as peas examples on the MUGEN section of Game Mods, including one thats just a single sentence. Are they safe to cut?

I was helping someone load his van He threw me in, now here I am
Sep 28th 2019 at 8:29:42 PM

[up] Personally, I'd prefer they be expanded, but if that's unfeasible, I wouldn't object to cutting them. Of course, I also wouldn't have a problem with re-adding them in more detail.

Complete Monster quotes cleanup
WarJay77 Daily reminder to drink water. from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Daily reminder to drink water.
Sep 28th 2019 at 9:59:54 PM

Under Video Game Generations: Seventh Onwards, the Super Street example contains one line I'd like to tweak:

"As you progress through the game, women will join your team, and are completely useless as they're really only there to attract players for looks (possibly to objectify women), as they don't really do anything to help you and your team."

I'd like to remove the part in parenthesis. It feels really unnecessary, makes no sense IMO, and is ROCEJ-ish to boot. It's just such a random claim, which doesn't really add anything to the sentence or to the example as a whole. Does anyone else agree? (And note that by random I don't mean it's completely unrelated to anything being mentioned, but that it just feels tacked-on, stopping the example in it's tracks to mention this possibility.)

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 28th 2019 at 1:02:29 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
Sep 29th 2019 at 6:24:18 AM

[up] Delete

SP00PY month!
Sep 29th 2019 at 7:08:34 AM

[up][up] Speaking of which, Anime & Manga also has several examples that use sexism as an argument for why the work is Horrible. The Samurai Gun example in particular flat-out states that the show is only horrible because of its sexism, and would be So Okay, It's Average otherwise.

PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 29th 2019 at 8:01:51 AM

The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) trailer example is back again at Horrible.Advertising. Review?

  • The trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) is especially notable for actually causing the film to be delayed from its original 2019 release date in a desperate attempt at damage control. The horrific Uncanny Valley design of Sonic caused such an intense reaction that the animators were sent back to the drawing board to come up with something that doesn't look like, to quote John Oliver, "a furry potato with a corpse's face", with the film's release being pushed four months when it became clear they'd never get it done in time for the original release. And that's certainly not the only major issue people had; also coming in for heavy mockery were the inexplicable use of the slow-paced and downbeat song "Gangsta's Paradise" for a franchise that's all about speed and has nothing to do with gangsters reflecting on their wasted lives (as well as the somewhat-bemusing hindsight its appearance has, given that there's a certain other association that the song has with the Sonic fandom), Special Effect Failure even beyond the usual for effects-heavy movie trailers where the process likely isn't finished yet, and the Inferred Holocaust of a line about Sonic knocking out a large power grid. Jim Sterling reacts in horror, as did both Vinny and Joel of Vinesauce, while Arlo spins a theory on whether its horrors were intentional. AniMat and Jamietud talk about the trailer here. Rob Boor of Cinematic Venom reacts to it here. Korey Coleman, Martin Thomas, and Billy Brooks talk about the trailer on Double Toasted here, wherein the former ate the words of his previous defense of the film. About a month after the trailer's release, someone uploaded a version of the trailer with regular Sonic, to much stronger acclaim than the original. Later still, Max Gilardi would release a proof of concept with parts of the trailer in 2D animation, creating a particularly impressive Roger Rabbit Effect.

To be honest, the trailer wasn't that horrible in my standards (bearable to watch), and again, I've seen several people who genuinely like Sonic's first movie design. It's more of Snark Bait rather than downright So Bad Its Horrible.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Sep 29th 2019 at 10:10:20 AM


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