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What he said. Let's bury the hatchet.
She, but ye
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2019 at 3:54:45 PM
Whoops, sorry. I'm a she that gets called a he a lot too.
As I previously said, I would like to know a mod's opinion on the note. If we're talking accuracy, it is an accurate fact that Trump did make insulting/dismissive comments about the minorities shown in the video, and that's it.
Yes, I do have low tolerance for anyone who even slightly supports or defends Trump, the fact the man began his run insulting my country (and yes, he did outright say that only some Mexicans were good people) plays a huge part on it. The note is unwittingly defending Trump, and nothing will change my mind on it. If the thing is supposed to be neutral and objective, the note has to go.
Should this be taken to Ask The Tropers?
Yes, he's said insulting things, but not those insulting things. He's said some really bad shit, but he never claimed to actually hate these people, which is what the video is claiming. And all the note says is that Trump never actually said he hated these groups. That's a fact. You even admitted it was a fact. Please stop trying to make this about whether or not it's defending him. It's just about the literal facts.
Sure, take it to ATT, whatever. We do need more voices on this, though so far there's only one other person on this thread to disagree with the note...
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2019 at 4:53:15 AM
Here's the ATT thread https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=80664&type=att
I'm not sure why there is a mod request for review, as clean-up threads typically work by consensus. Mods are usually called in for clarification, or if there is an outstanding mod declaration that may warrant further review.
That being said, as an editor contributing to the discussion, I think the only way this example of political advertising can stand is if it's clearly defined what is true and what is false. If the note is accurate, without being worded in such a way that makes it a defense of his hateful rhetoric (i.e. "obviously these were fabricated, and he never would imply such a thing"), then it should stay. How it is written now - pointing out that the ad is inaccurate on this case, and that case - is not an inherent defense.
LTM 402: If an ad claims that Trump said a specific thing, and he never said that specific thing, then the ad is lying. It doesn't matter that he is very bigoted in other ways—the question is about whether he actually said this thing, and the answer is that he did not.
If somebody says that Hitler killed 10,000,000 Jews, and I point out that that's not true, I'm not defending Adolf Hitler. I'm simply stating the objective fact that a made-up falsehood is just that: a made-up falsehood.
Fine, I'll accept your decision.
Sonic Gather Battle is currently on Horrible.Fan Games. The people who have played the game admit that it's actually a high-quality game, and the sole reason it's considered Horrible is because the game has DRM that turns it into a creepypasta and sends your IP address (and possibly other information) to the creator if you run cheat programs or type "Sonic Gather Battle cheats/mods/hacks" into your browser's search.
These are some pretty horrible things to do, but if the game itself is good and works well (as long as you don't activate the DRM), does it really qualify as SBIH?
Honestly, I'm not sure, but I'm currently leaning to "no". Might be a better fit for Overshadowed by Controversy
Does Take Me to Heaven on the Smartphone Games subpage really count? It’s only on there because it could have resulted in broken phones..... but it was never actually released.
Edited by TalesofUnder on Sep 29th 2019 at 2:35:53 AM
Sonic Gather Battle is actually well-made and is already on OvershadowedByControversy.Video Games.
We have Tattoo Assassins which was never officially released either.
Hmmm...I'm torn. On one hand, something being so bad it breaks the console it's on is pretty damn bad, but on the other hand, if it was never released...IDK.
If it was never actually released, I'd refrain from putting it up.
It sounds like it broke phones during some kind of beta testing or something, then. But it's still an unreleased work anyway, only in beta at best. It's not really an example, then. Unless the actual beta is completely available online via download, not behind any paywall, etc, then it shouldn't be a proper example. That feels like something that would be best under Obvious Beta on an Unpublished Works page instead if anywhere.
If Tattoo Assassins was never released, I think it should be removed, since there's no way to prove that it would still be as bad had it been completed and released.
Why would being behind a paywall disqualify it?
The fact that nearly two dozen Tattoo Assassins cabinets were produced according to The Other Wiki indicates to me that they were ready to release it in that state. I removed Sonic Gather Battle from Fan Games.
Edited by rjd1922 on Oct 4th 2019 at 5:52:40 AM
While we’re on the subject of Video Games: Other....
There are some small as peas examples on the MUGEN section of Game Mods, including one that’s just a single sentence. Are they safe to cut?
Personally, I'd prefer they be expanded, but if that's unfeasible, I wouldn't object to cutting them. Of course, I also wouldn't have a problem with re-adding them in more detail.
Under Video Game Generations: Seventh Onwards, the Super Street example contains one line I'd like to tweak:
"As you progress through the game, women will join your team, and are completely useless as they're really only there to attract players for looks (possibly to objectify women), as they don't really do anything to help you and your team."
I'd like to remove the part in parenthesis. It feels really unnecessary, makes no sense IMO, and is ROCEJ-ish to boot. It's just such a random claim, which doesn't really add anything to the sentence or to the example as a whole. Does anyone else agree? (And note that by random I don't mean it's completely unrelated to anything being mentioned, but that it just feels tacked-on, stopping the example in it's tracks to mention this possibility.)
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 28th 2019 at 1:02:29 PM
Speaking of which, Anime & Manga also has several examples that use sexism as an argument for why the work is Horrible. The Samurai Gun example in particular flat-out states that the show is only horrible because of its sexism, and would be So Okay, It's Average otherwise.
The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) trailer example is back again at Horrible.Advertising. Review?
To be honest, the trailer wasn't that horrible in my standards (bearable to watch), and again, I've seen several people who genuinely like Sonic's first movie design. It's more of Snark Bait rather than downright So Bad Its Horrible.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Sep 29th 2019 at 10:10:20 AM
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