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GastonRabbit Madman from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Madman
Aug 31st 2019 at 5:40:17 PM

[up][up]I agree.

"I think fame itself is not a rewarding thing. The most you can say is that it gets you a seat in restaurants." —David Bowie
kablammin45 A mage-r noob from a world invaded by monsters Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
A mage-r noob
Aug 31st 2019 at 6:32:31 PM

So with some revisions to the existing entry (which I noticed has since been commented out by the user who originally put it there), could/should Airplane Mode be listed on the page? Or no?

...man, that was a Carlos-level pun.
Sep 1st 2019 at 3:36:34 PM

Does Don Bluth's (normally a fantastic director) A Troll In Central Park probably counts. The best it's Rotten Tomato score has gotten is a poor 17% but it's been lower than that. The Nostalgia Critic gave it a scathing review in 2010 and Phantom Strider considers it the 2nd worst animated film. Don Bluth himself considers it an Old Shame to say the least. Pretty much nobody defends it.

Its flaws are numerous. The characters are obnoxious, underdeveloped, and unlikable (especially Stanley the Troll). The voice acting and most the songs are pathetic (only "Queen of Mean" is decent). The writing is sickeningly sweet, unbelievably pandering, and full of holes. There's tons of padding and an Idiot Plot. The ending is unintentionally a Downer Ending but portrayed as happy. The animation occasionally looks nice but is unfitting and a little garish at times.

Here's said review ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg2lLYn1Z8w

I'm asking here because there's no consensus on the talk page and this deserves some closure. It was removed for a rather stupid reason. evil grin

Edited by Idisagree on Sep 2nd 2019 at 5:10:27 AM

Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:57:54 PM

Horrible.Music Albums lists Cold Lake by Celtic Frost. Wikipedia has this to say about its reception:

Modern reviews are more positive. AllMusic reviewer Bradley Torreano wrote that Cold Lake is "still the worst Celtic Frost album", but that it "really isn't that bad" and the "vibrant heavy metal here... is longing to be rediscovered by fans." Canadian journalist Martin Popoff considered Cold Lake a "good record", filled with riffs "awesome and sinister" and lyrics about street-level sin "almost scarier" than the abandoned black metal ones.

That doesn't sound "horrible" to me.

Also, the YouTube comments are mostly positive.

Edited by Zuxtron on Sep 2nd 2019 at 9:58:31 AM

PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:24:27 PM

My thoughts on this example I've found:

  • To Train Up A Child, published in 1994, is a parent's guide based on the controversial "Pearl Method" taught by pastor Michael Pearl. Commonly called "a child abuse manual", this book says beating your kids is okay, recommends pulling a newborn's hair if they bite while breastfeeding, lists the best places and what to hit your kids with to avoid leaving bruises, says you should set up a trap for your child and then punish them for falling for it, and claims if you don't do these things you don't really love your kids. The book was lambasted for its heavy religious meddling, and because the methods it teaches has been proven to kill children. Rachel Oates dissects this book in two parts, and in the latter video she is clearly on the verge of tears.

The criteria states that just because work is offensive does not mean it's horrible. Besides the disturbing subject matter (yes, child abuse is a hellish and reprehensible act), the contents don't seem low-quality. I've commented out the example for now, and now waiting for your comments on it.

WarJay77 LT/P Herald~ from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
LT/P Herald~
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:29:05 PM

Offensive =/= low quality, sure, but it's still got abysmal reviews...

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PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:34:51 PM

(Also, gee! You noticed my Airplane Mode entry. You better PM me next time, so I don't get startled.)

Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:39:37 PM

A book that unironically tells the reader to abuse children, and whose content has resulted in kids being killed, sounds pretty horrible to me.

WarJay77 LT/P Herald~ from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
LT/P Herald~
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:41:19 PM

Same. There's a line between "offensive content" and "outright malicious".

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PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:47:17 PM

I think we have a unique case here. A work that is considered horrible not because of terrible quality, but of it being responsible for some heinous crimes.

I'm gonna leave y'all to come up with a verdict.

WarJay77 LT/P Herald~ from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
LT/P Herald~
Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:47:57 PM

I vote horrible.

Anyway, I'm gonna finally add Five Across The Eyes.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 2nd 2019 at 10:48:24 AM

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Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:50:18 PM

If a book is meant to advise parents on how to raise their children, but following these instructions ends with your kid traumatized or dead, I'd say that the advice it gives is of poor quality, and by extension so is the book.

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Short-Term Projects herald, Hedge Trimmer & more
razorrozar7 I am having much enjoyment! from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I am having much enjoyment!
Sep 2nd 2019 at 9:19:37 PM

horrible is a pretty broad term, and that book certainly fits.

the album sounds like it's becoming Vindicated by History.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
Sep 3rd 2019 at 2:51:11 PM

My opinion used to be that if some parents were willing to follow To Train Up A Child's advice, they'd count as a fandom and therefore disqualify the book from SBIH status, but I wonder if any of them are still "fans" of the book after their children have been messed up.

TalesofUnder THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF from The Murder Hotel Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
THE CAVEMAN! HES THE SHERIFF
Sep 3rd 2019 at 2:57:13 PM

Keep the book, nuke the album.

I was helping someone load his van He threw me in, now here I am
PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:35:43 PM

FURTHER NOTES: If a work fails at its purpose horribly or is known to cause serious injury or even death, it can be considered Horrible.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Sep 3rd 2019 at 5:36:56 AM

rjd1922 The Radio Demon from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
The Radio Demon
Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:36:19 PM

[up][up]Agreed [nja]

Edited by rjd1922 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 5:36:57 AM

I haven't been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929!
GastonRabbit Madman from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Madman
Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:49:58 PM

[up]

"I think fame itself is not a rewarding thing. The most you can say is that it gets you a seat in restaurants." —David Bowie
WarJay77 LT/P Herald~ from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
LT/P Herald~
Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:51:03 PM

[up]

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TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
Sep 6th 2019 at 8:48:26 AM

Wayyy too early to tell, film isn't even out yet, but Playmobil the Movie currently has an 18% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 25 on Metacritic.

SP00PY month!
Sep 6th 2019 at 8:49:35 AM

[up] Personally, I think I'd wait until its actual release, not least because Critical Dissonance is a thing.

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald, Hedge Trimmer & more from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald, Hedge Trimmer & more
Sep 6th 2019 at 4:34:19 PM

[up] Agreed. Since it's a kids' film, it's possible they might like it.

"Go my way!" "You can go your own way!"
PrincessPandaTrope Gotta get those rings! from Crisis City with Silver the Hedgehog Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Gotta get those rings!
Sep 6th 2019 at 6:57:13 PM

I've seen some positive reviews for the film. I don't think that would be TV Tropes Horrible.

GastonRabbit Madman from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Madman
Sep 6th 2019 at 9:09:27 PM

I agree with waiting to see if it fits Critical Dissonance instead of SBIH.

"I think fame itself is not a rewarding thing. The most you can say is that it gets you a seat in restaurants." —David Bowie

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