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To be fair, Bumblebee didn't gross as high as any of the Bayformers films and was only successful due to its lower budget. All Paramount has to do is hire a good director and screenwriter for the sequel and it'll do huge numbers.
Well, Paramount execs probably won't because they're fricking idiots.
It's a similar case with Dreamworks.
Everything has to about demographics and money with these fools, doesn't it?
Its budget was 70 million less, but its box office take was 140 million less. The only reason people say The Last Knight was a flop but Bumblebee wasn't is they're letting their opinion paint the narrative and not the numbers.
The Last Knight lost one-hundred million dollars. It was a Box Office Bomb, and Bumblebee was not. Those are objective facts.
Has no-one actually looked at the math there? We know the budget, and the box office take. The only possible way that statement could be true, is if The Last Knights marketting budget was half a billion dollars. Which would be double the single largest movie marketting push of all time.
Bumblebee cost $135 million (not counting marketing) & made $127 million domestically (foreign grosses typically count for much less). Just because it wasn’t as catastrophic as The Last Knight doesn’t mean it wasn’t a bomb.
They just poisoned the well regarding the transformers.
You do realize that movie studios don't keep 100% of the box office, right? Not only that, but studios get a significantly higher cut of the US box office than they do of the foreign box office.
Between the significantly lower budget and the greater American share (made just 3 million less stateside), Bumblebee almost certainly made a higher profit than The Last Knight. I mean for starters the former made 3.45 times it's budget while the later only made 2.78 times it's budget. Depending who you ask either 2.5 or 3.0 times is the rule of thumb for a film's break even point. Bumblebee is in the realm of minor hit, though that might not be enough for Paramount to continue, on the other hand they've got literally nothing else going for them.
Edited by BigMadDraco on May 5th 2019 at 10:25:33 AM
I bet Paramount wishes they were still working with Marvel.
Speaking of which, Paramount just bought the Atlas Comics catalogue. Their obscure, none of their books have lasted into the double digits.
I've been researching for the past day, but there's not much on them. My thoughts are as follows :
Grim Ghost would make a great thriller.
Planet of Vampires just sounds like an awesome big budget B-movie from the title alone.
Phoenix could make a decent SF flick (they'd probably want to change the title to not confuse it with the X-Men character).
Wulf the Barbarian could be a nice "Conan but not really" movie to watch while we wait for someone to make an actual Conan film.
Hand of Dragon, an ok martial arts movie.
Tiger Man ,name sounds cool, but they'd need a major redesign of the costume, and change the origin to make him not seem like a Black Panther rip-off.
The Brute, closest thing we'll get to another Hulk solo movie in this life time.
The Scorpion (change the name because ,you know, the Spider-Man villain ) and they could have a nice adventure flick.
Morlock , discount Swamp Thing, but if that DC Universe show isn't received well it could be an alternative.
Destructor is the most typical of the bunch, but it could be a fun watch.
They want to start a shared universe ,they don't know who their flagship character is, but they want to start production in 2020 and release the first of these in 2021 and release one movie yearly after that.
Edited by gremlin21 on May 18th 2019 at 6:54:23 AM
Wait...does now every major a comic book publisher to play with? Disney/Marvel, Warner Bros/DC, Sony/Valiant (in addition to the Spider-Man rights)...oh, I guess universal is still missing out? Or am I forgetting something? Other than the few distribution rights they still have that is….
For all the talk about Bumblebee, we seem to have forgotten that it's Paramount who is backing the Sonic movie.
Suffice to say, I wouldn't be too surprised if CBS takes Viacom/Paramount over again.
Universal has the distro rights to any solo Hulk movie, hence no solo Hulk movie in the MCU. They also own the rights to a rather obscure character named Namur, who would be seen today as little more than a Aquaman clone.
Edited by AyaReiko on May 19th 2019 at 2:09:25 AM
Something baffles me from the Epileptic Trees part of the YMMV page of Avengers: Endgame:
BTW, isn't Paramount something of a Butt-Monkey lately?
Also, "distro" and "Namur" instead of "distribution" and "Namor" is unintentionally funny to me!
Namor is complicated. It has been in legal limbo for a while so that NO studio could use him, but the Disney lawyers hopefully solved the problem by now. There is also the fact that Namor is technically a mutant which could have lead to additional problems with Fox, so the merger makes using him easier if nothing else.
Edited by Swanpride on May 20th 2019 at 12:02:50 PM
Actually, they're trying to do exactly that, only inverted.
Kevin Feige already explained Namor's status.
So basically it's like the situation with the Hulk where he won't have a solo movie.
That's what says in the article.
Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on May 20th 2019 at 1:26:02 PM
If I get this correctly, universal has distribution rights, but the rights to actually use the character were with Legendary, but they couldn't use it either because there was apparently some sort party involved. I suspect the rights with Legendary reverted back to Marvel by now, and the challenge was to get the third party issue cleared up. That universal has distribution rights, well, that just means that they can only use Namor as a guest character and not as a headliner. And it might be better that way anyway, even though Namor is one of the originally more famous characters. But frankly, they already have so many franchises in the pipeline, he would work better by playing off the other characters rather than having adventures of his own.
So, a nice update: Sony doesn't have the Valiant rights anymore (except for Bloodshot) the rest are moving to Paramount , Viacom and CBS are merging.
Wait, all? Last thing I heard they just lost Harbinger, but the rest would stay at Sony.
Well either way those Valiant Cinematic Universe plans have fallen through before a single film has hit theatres. I think that's a new record.
While Disney is an obvious winner, I say Warner Bros is a close second.
I wouldn't say close second or not even second. So far none of their films have crossed half a billion.
Edited by 123tbones on Oct 9th 2019 at 3:05:29 AM
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