Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order

Nah a more distinctive look would totally help him.

I’m of the mind that a simple or drab character can be saved or made more redeemable if they have a cool or distinctive appearance. After all it’s agreed here that Cal doesn’t have much going for him on either level, he isn’t that compelling character wise nor is his appearance particularly cool.

Making him an alien would totally help lay off the heat generated by his lack of distinctiveness & make him more likable simple. Especially since full-on alien protagonists are relativly rare & thus would have a lot of novelty to it.

Also why wouldn’t he be more badass in the sequel? He has regained his connection to The Force & has a master to help him finish his training now. It’s only logical that Cal can improve himself powerwise now.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 29th 2020 at 5:09:04 AM

http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2017/04/selfish-love-why-the-jedi-were-right-about-attachment/

https://archiveofourown.org/works/22039168/chapters/52598788

Found these essays about the Jedi and their view on attachment. Very intresting in my opinion and not something I thought about.

Was I the only person who was 100% expecting Darth Vader as the final boss? I wasn't spoiled on anything, but I saw in the Tactical Guide that there was one Imperial slot unfilled, so I was like, "Obviously there's going to be a surprise final boss fight after the narrative climax of defeating Second Sister. And it's going to be Darth Vader. Because of course it's going to be Darth Vader. Because why wouldn't it be Darth Vader? Someone has to raise the Oh Shit quotient after we beat Second Sister, and there's only one person who fits that bill."

Like. Going into the Inquisitor Factory, it's way too late in the game to start introducing new characters now. To fill that one last slot in the Imperial list, the game needs someone who can just pop in and be immediately impactful from the second his face hits the screen. Someone you don't need explained to you in order to go, "HOLY F*CKING SHITBALLS IT'S THAT GUY." So, Darth Vader. Of course it's Darth Vader. It literally couldn't be anyone but Darth Vader.

Plus it's a Star Wars product set during the Galactic Civil War so Darth Vader is always going to show up at some point. It'd be more surprising if credits rolled without him. He's the most iconic character in Star Wars history and every writer wants to put him in their product. They even found ways to shoehorn Darth Vader appearances into TCW, of all things!

What surprised me, actually, was that the game didn't compromise Vader's threat level with his appearance. I figured we'd have an actual fight with him and then beat the shit out of him 'cause that's how video games roll. A lot of games value Epic Boss Fights over preserving the menace level of characters that are meant to be menacing. I still remember Force Unleashed, where you trash both Vader and Palpatine. But no, Vader's appearance was tastefully done, more of an interactive cutscene than a boss fight, and reinforced his status as the scariest motherf*cker in the galaxy. I was pleasantly surprised.

I believe that. I've always thought that "Revan", by itself, is a feminine-sounding name. It's "Raven" with the vowels switched, and Raven as a name is typically applied to female characters.

Regarding Merrin

I would play a game that's literally just taking Merrin around the galaxy and introducing her to new things. She's great.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 30th 2020 at 8:45:28 AM

Instead of a grim war-time hack and slasher, it's a fun exploration game about meeting people and making friends!

I'm only half-joking.

I cynically think it's inevitable that Merrin is going to die and it makes me angry, cause she's one of my favorite new characters and I want nothing but happiness for her.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 30th 2020 at 11:12:36 AM

I know, right?! I'm honestly surprised that she hasn't died already. I was certain that she'd come with us to the Inquisitor Factory and that either Second Sister or Darth Vader would kill her to show off how scary they are. She just doesn't seem like the kind of character that gets to live to see the end-credits.

But I want her to be around forever. A big part of the shift from Clone Wars to Galactic Civil War is the redefining of alliances. Rebels talked about this a lot. The Republic liberated Ryloth from Separatist control, but then the Separatists died and the Republic became the Empire, so who now will liberate Ryloth from Imperial control?

The Mandalorians were allies with the Republic except for those terrorists, Death Watch, who allied with the Separatists. But then the Republic became the Empire and perspective did a complete 180 and suddenly Death Watch Mandalorians like Bo-Katan Kryze (The Mandalorian spoiler: or Din Djarin, for that matter) maybe aren't so bad anymore.

Etc. etc.

The Nightsisters are in an unusual position. They allied with the Sith, not the Separatists or Republic. But they also betrayed the Sith and were in turn massacred by General Grievous. So where does that leave Merrin, the sole survivor, now? With their bond to the Sith broken, and having no real connection to the Separatists, the Republic/Empire, or the Rebel Alliance, what exactly is to become of the Nightsisters' legacy?

I am more fascinated by Merrin's story than that of literally anyone else on this ship. And I really don't want the answer to be, "Whoops, she died. Guess that's the end of that."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 30th 2020 at 1:04:08 PM

So I've picked up the game when it was for sale and I overall very mucv enjoyed it. Especially the combat system and how you had to carefully explore the different levels reminded me pleasantly of Dark Souls. Parrying blaster shots felt really satisfying and the lightdaber duells were also a treat. There were some annoyences: Like the lack of different landing areas and no fast travel, which made finding all the collectables a chore (I actually stopped doing them because of that). Still it was a good game gameplay wise.

Even the characters grew on me, including the captain, who was not as one-dimensional like I initially feared. However I would like to know if others also felt some sort of pointlessness while playing the game? Because you know that Cal's mission would ultimately not succeed, that all attempts to preserve the legacy of the Jedi would be fuitil, and the best you could hope for all those likeable chracters was for them not to die, but find a contrieved reason why they would not become mayor players in the rebellion?

Admittedly the ST disaster has made me quite cynical about anything happening before the OT, but still.

I felt a bit of that, yeah. It never really went away for me but, when I got invested more in the characters in the second half of the game, it mattered less.

Look at it this way.

As long as Cal never associates with Luke, he’s prolly still alive to this day living a fulfilling life alongside his compatriots.

Crossposting from the main Star Wars thread in Live Action Film; Jedi: Fallen Order just got a surprisingly large content update that includes new cosmetics, New Game Plus (only cosmetics are retained, sadly), and a combat challenge mode.

The main cosmetic additions are Cal's Inquisitor skin and a red lightsaber blade, unlocked on New Game+. The rest appear to be BB-8 skins you unlock through the aforementioned challenge mode, which you can access at save points. The challenges are no joke either - I started a New Game+ to try out all the new stuff and pretty much all of them require late game abilities and upgrades to complete.

EDIT: Oh, and EA confirmed the game's gonna get sequels apparently

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on May 8th 2020 at 9:30:21 AM

Lol, EA being all in on a single player series. The promise is appreciated, but my trust in them is measured.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 8th 2020 at 9:52:42 AM

It's good to hear they recognize it's success at least. It's EA so I'll always be worried what'll happen with anything they publish.

Well this came out of nowhere. That challenge mode sounds fun I think.

It's gonna have microtransactions shoved in every single orifice they can fit them in.

I'm very curious where they are gonna take this.

For instance sometime before ANH the Inquisitors is no longer a thing so that automatically rules the characters to bring in for easy saber fights.

I said this before in the main Star Wars thread but like you can maybe do a thing where Cal heads to the outer rim far beyond the Empire's reach (if the game still takes place within the Empire's reign) & has to deal with 7 mad Jedi (each a master/specialist of one of the 7 saber styles) who each have taken over a planet or something.

Given that there's still over a decade between FO and ANH, and the fact that the galaxy is a pretty big place, there's plenty of ways Cal and co. could get into trouble in any sequels.

For a start, they could recycle the game's planned main antagonist and use her.

Who was the planned main antagonist?

, Curious about that as well

Anyway it's probably a safe bet that a sequel will start with you fighting the Haxion Brood and lead into Crimson Dawn, with the inevitable Maul boss fight. Heck, if they set it a year later we could have appearances by Qi'ra and Dryden Vos. Set it 4 years later and you could have Qi'ra as a main antagonist.

Yeah, the Haxion Brood did kind of get left hanging. They kidnap us and then all they do is just scatter bounty hunters everywhere.

I’ve said it before, but I want Cal to survive to the ST era. Him, Ezra, Ashoka, and Baby Yoda are probably the last hope to form a functioning Jedi Order.

Come to think it, since they have Cameron Monaghan for any live action roles, he could survive to the ST era.

Edited by Beatman1 on May 10th 2020 at 9:03:38 AM

What about Rey?

Really depends on a lot of ifs and when’s. If Jedi Order B is at the edge of the universe battling the Grysks while the ST is going on, coincidentally avoiding what happened to Luke’s attempt, Rey joining them and formally reintroducing the Order as the hero of the Resistance would add up.

Edited by Beatman1 on May 10th 2020 at 9:45:21 AM

There's a lot of space (pun intended) to tell stories concurrently with the ST and beyond, hopefully they take advantage of it.

It helps that the FO didn't really have that all-encompassing reach that the Empire had so avoiding them by staying on the other side of the galaxy should be pretty easy.

I'm so glad other people want the Not!Jedi academy to be a thing. I love the idea of a grizzled 60-something Ashoka finally coming back to the known galaxy and just going 'What did you DO'

Honestly I don't see Cal surviving past the time of Rebels, but I absolutely see him passing some knowledge on to Merrin and her (and maybe Cere) surviving to the OT era and beyond.

My general impression is that there can't be very many true, practicing Jedi Knights around during the OT era since the whole theme of that period is that it's a Dark Age for the Jedi, with their numbers in the single-digits and the survivors all just laying low in the slums or living as hermits in the wilderness.

Cal doesn't seem like the type for either of those activities — at the start of the game, sure, but by the end he's itching to strike at the Empire and aid the Rebellion. There's no way he's going to survive that unless he pulls an Ezra and gets teleported to the opposite end of the Galaxy.

Now non-practicing or unorthodox "Jedi" on the other hand can fit the setting very well. Old Masters who've hung up their lightsabers, mystics who have a different understanding of the force, and scattered force-sensitives who are about at ESB Luke's level or lower in terms of Jedi training trying to understand the force — that's more the speed of the OT era. Merrin and potentially Cere could fit those categories very well.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on May 10th 2020 at 7:47:34 AM