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Not a huge Sonic fan (haven't been since 3 came out), but a few of those - like the 25th Party one & Knuckles art one - seem to be just complaining.
Okay, let's go through these:
Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on May 27th 2019 at 3:01:54 AM
I have two cents on two of the examples you listed. In my opinion, the Sonic and the Secret Rings example is just falling flat. I can more strongly state that the Big the Cat example should be cut. It reads to me like just complaining the character exists, but besides that, Sega clearly is at least trying to make him comic relief, with such lines in Team Sonic Racing as “Sorry, wall” and “I’m ultimate... whatever!”
From YMMV.Martina Mc Bride
I don't see the humour in this entry. It sounds more like regular complaining.
From YMMV.My Hero Academia:
I think that only the third, fourth, and last points are actual Narm.
Found these on Glass (2019):
I recently slogged through Narm.Star Wars and, to put it simply, it's a mess. There are legitimate examples of Narm here and there, but most of them are complaints against something the "fans" didn't like.
I would like to clean it up, but I'm not sure how to go about it. Should I make a sandbox and link it to this thread for approval, or should I go ahead and bring out the ax?
I support to cut it directly. No need for sandbox in my opinion.
Star Wars is an extremely popular work. I suspect it will be as messy as Game of Thrones, if not more, because it's out there for much longer and I understand some parts were not received well by fans.
Delete every complaining or misuse. Sometimes it's hard to tell misuse/one person opinion apart from actual examples of Narm. I've often noticed that people list things that were supposed to be funny and actual jokes.
If you are unsure, you can post dubious examples here. I'd be happy to provide feedback, though I'm probably one of last ten or so people who have never seen the movies. :-D
Edited by XFllo on Jun 7th 2019 at 1:57:50 PM
Anything that isn't describing a serious scene that became unintentionally funny is objectively not meant to be on the page and can be cut without having to ask.
, Okay. I'll start working on it. Thanks for the input!
Another Narm.Game Of Thrones issue. (SPOILERS for the final season follow)
In my opinion it's just complaining. And yes, I get why people complain about it, but it's not narm.
I get why people didn't like the final season, but TV Tropes is not a place to rage about it. I'd suggest that troper to write a blog. Or take it to the forum.
What do you say? Should it be deleted as I think? Or should it stay?
It's also written as slightly complain-y but at least it explains the funny part of the audience reaction.
Edited by XFllo on Jun 14th 2019 at 12:36:14 PM
Re: Star Wars, I had removed a number of examples, but I'm just now noticing that Raging Higher added them back in late May with the edit reason "Mister Apes-a-lot, you removed an enormous amount of text perfectly valid under the current Narm definition. Use the page's discussion if you have to, but don't do this again or you will be reported." So if you need a place to start with, you can find the examples that were removed and added back here. I'm not going to take them all out again, but I can add my thoughts on some of the first few entries in the folder below.
I'm inclined to think that you should probably report Raging Higher, at least in the sense of getting a mod to supervise the conversation - if anything it's mass reversions of widely misused complaining tropes like this one that probably need discussion beforehand. I agree that a lot of those do not seem like examples as written.
Edited by nrjxll on Jul 6th 2019 at 4:15:13 AM
Ugh. Maybe we should just throw Narm.Star Wars to the fire and be done with it. Every time I take a look at it intending to clean it up, I find myself overwhelmed by all the whining. And it doesn't help that several examples are gripes against scenes that I too find cringeworthy.
Somebody opened a discussion with me about whether an entry for The Lion King 2019 counts as Narm.
Now, I say it doesn't count as Narm, saying ""Killing the drama" =/= Narm. Scene should be funny, not just lame."
In the discussion with this user, they said "Killing the drama kind of does overlap with narm, since it's to the point where some people find it funny. For instance I have heard of people finding Scar's delivery of the line or even the smack he gives Mufasa funny rather than menacing."
I can see arguing in favor of the entry, but I think it would need to be rewritten, so it's clear that the overly-dramatic slap is what makes it funny. I'm pretty sure a thing being lame isn't enough to qualify a scene as Narm.
Sorry to doublepost here, but another user and I were having a discussion about an entry under X-Men Film Series:
Now, I said I didn't think it counted as Narm, my reasoning being that I think it's more that the moment isn't really trying to be that dramatic, it's just a regular moment being played straight. Narm—to my understanding—has to be a moment that tries really hard to be dramatic and impactful but severely misses. This moment comes across to me more as "Oh yeah, I guess you can snark at it if you apply Fridge Logic". I mean, presentation-wise I think it even makes sense. General audiences wouldn't know who "Ororo" is; her name hasn't been said nearly as much as "Storm" has, but that's neither here nor there. The entry comes across to me more as a really thin nitpick than a legitimate thing that somebody would find funny.
The other user reasoned that "The scene in question was played as dramatic and not intended to be comedic. And yet abusurdity was present since Logan was using the code name of a person that Charles had never even met and that she wasn't going by, plus it was a person that Logan should have known the name for since they were friends, adding to the absurdity of the scene and confusion as to why on earth he would be using the name "Storm" in-universe in this dialogue."
We'd both like another person's opinion of whether it counts as Narm under the given definition of Narm or not :).
...you know, I've been trying to look for a pithy way to sum up a lot of the dumber Narm misuse I see for a long time now, and that's it. That's it right there. It's an overlap with the (mis)use of the Fridge pages as being primarily for complaining. That is not what Narm is supposed to be.
From YMMV.It Chapter Two
I've seen the movie and I think it was very much an intentionally humourous moment.
Seconded. Might be a better fit under Bathos or Mood Whiplash, which are about intentionally juxtaposing two very different moods.
Thirded. That section looks like it could use a clean-up anyways. It's overly long, which usually entails misuse, and it's very complainy. Especially this bit:
Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Sep 17th 2019 at 3:25:56 AM
I also think it was an intentional Mood Whiplash.
YMMV.Love Death And Robots Sonnies Edge
I think it's nothing but complains and fails to explain why it's unintentionally funny.
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