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I've decided to start a cleanup thread for Narm, since it seems to attract a lot of misuse and complaining. Like I said in my ATT post, "some misuse is easy to catch (e.g. saying a joke is Narm when Narm by definition can't be a joke), a lot of examples fall into grey areas that seem like misuse but it's hard to tell. Like nitpicks that at first glance seem to be valid examples, but feel like stretches the more you think about them."

I think one of the main reasons for misuse is that most people aren't clear on what Narm actually is. To my understanding, it's when a scene is intended to be dramatic, but comes off as cheesy/funny unintentionally. But going by the page description, it's kind of vague what actually qualifies something as Narm. At the top, it says "Narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but due to either over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive Melodrama, or the sheer absurdity of the situation, the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny." But then later on in the same page, it gives a much more vague definition:

In CGI movies or video games unrealistic movements or facial expressions may result in Narm. Dated special effects during dramatic scenes can cause Narm for younger audience members who were raised on nothing less convincing than the Phantom Menace. Totally Radical dialog in cartoons or commercials pandering to children can also be a rich source of Narm. Even a good performance in a bad movie can evoke Narm if the actor's performance isn't enough to save the scene.
That last sentence I feel just confuses the whole thing. It makes it sound like absolutely anything can count as Narm, no matter if it works in context or not.

Most often, Narm is misused to mean "anything I personally don't think worked," whether or not it was intended as dramatic or comes off as funny. And when a work is high-profile enough, hoo boy, pretty much every scene is Narm to somebody. You can look at the Narm subpages for Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Game of Thrones and find tons of examples of people nitpicking the tiniest of details in a scene and blowing whatever it is out of proportion.

Another problem is that since it's such a subjective trope, it's not clear if there's supposed to be any sort of in-fandom consensus on the example in-question, or if every example is valid under the "it's called YMMV for a reason" excuse, even if the only person who thinks the example is Narm is the troper who adds it in.

I think it needs to be clearer whether nitpicks are valid examples of Narm, especially since nitpicking overlaps so often with barely-disguised complaining. The most frequent offenders for Narm entries I see are complaining, nitpicking, adding jokes, and ZeroContextExamples. I'm going to use Venom (2018) as an example, with my comments in bold:

  • The scene of Eddie freaking out on the medical table is presented as the teaser's Money-Making Shot. It... doesn't quite work as intended, which isn't helped by it being sped up, making it look like a parody.
    • The final trailer features a more complete version of the clip showing Venom's face "shutter" over Eddie. Whether or not this works or if it looks like a cheap special effect depends on who you ask.
    • What makes the freakout even more narmful is that Eddie's screams are different screams playing on top of each other. The actual film lacks this strange effect. This example seems fine to me, but falls into the "The trailer is Narmy but the finished product isn't" doublespeak.
  • The leaked trailer revealed some pretty terrible lines (“The guy you work for is an evil person.”). Tom Hardy's horrible New York...ish(?) accent isn't doing the delivery any favors either. And it really does not help that his voice cracks on the reading of "evil person". Thankfully, that line is not in the film proper. Do we keep examples that are purely in the trailers? Also an example of "thing falls flat" instead of "thing is funny."
    • Hardy's line reading of "You're not real, you are just in my head." sounds like he's suffering from Elmuh Fudd Syndwome. At worst, he sounds like Adam Sandler's signature Manchild babbling. However there's some speculation that, based on the context of the scene and Eddie's stumbling movements, he's actually drunk, or perhaps even overdosed on medication (considering he was seen taking a bunch of pills, thinking he's sick). That and it could be a case of Reality Ensues, as it's unlikely anyone would keep the mental clarity to speak normally as an alien parasite is slowly bonding with their body. Natter. Goes back and forth between snarky complaints and defending the moment. Also nitpicking.
    • Movie trailers cutting quotes out of context to form a new sentence is nothing new, but the editing on the line "you will only hurt bad people" is particularly poor, and it's very easy to hear that the line has been cut together out of separate pieces of dialogue. Not really a dramatic thing, so I don't think it counts as Narm. And it definitely isn't funny, it just falls flat.
    • How Jenny Slate's character pronounces "symbiote" note . Plus, her giving firm, equal stress to all three syllables like she's speaking some foreign language. Luckily, this was cut from the theatrical release. Nitpicking and not funny.
    • The shot of Eddie crashing straight through a half-fallen tree in the forest that he could just as easily have ducked under comes across as more comedic than cool, as if they just needed an additional gratuitous shot of something breaking. Especially if your mind goes to Victor from Wet Hot American Summer and his inexplicable refusal to jump over anything. It really does not help that the evil bad-guy vehicle chasing him looks like a slightly modified golf cart. The context for this one in the movie is that Venom is taking control of his body and forcing him to blindly flee through the woods to escape the Life Foundation. Context makes it not-Narm. Cut?
    • Although it may look better in the context of the full scene, Eddie flying 50 feet into the air on his motorcycle off a slightly steep hill seems to rather severely break the laws of physics. Clearly written before the movie came out. Cut?
  • The Jump Scare (on both sides of the fourth wall) where Venom suddenly shouts Eddie's name as he brushed his teeth would have been much more scary if not for the fact that the latter Screams Like a Little Girl. There's also the fact that he somehow throws himself backwards so hard that he crashes into the bathroom wall. Intended as comedic, so it isn't Narm.
  • Remember how creepy and awesome that shot from the second trailer of the symbiote forming around Eddie's face in order to eat a guy was? In the third trailer, the potential Nightmare Fuel of that moment is significantly undercut by Venom slobbering all over the man's face with its tongue in an amusingly over-the-top manner. One is reminded of the scene with Patrick licking the yellow popsicle, or perhaps "This is the taste of a liar".... This seems pretty in-character for Venom. I'm not sure with this one.
    • The guy who Carlton Drake subjects to Orifice Invasion in the third trailer would have been disturbing, if not for the victim's bland expression. Moment that falls flat; not funny. Cut.
    • The symbiote's Venom-face forming on the end of Eddie's arm to talk to him strongly resembles a deranged hand puppet rather than a vicious alien parasite. There's also the fact that they can communicate telepathically, making that sequence unnecessary. Seems fine.
    • Venom's violent threats to his enemies are this if they're not aggressively tasteless Black Comedy. His threat to mutilate a man until he's "like a turd on the wind" is particularly groan-inducing, especially coming after a genuinely frightening threat. How It Should Have Ended was even driven by this to make a video on just the trailer for the very first time, in which he mangles a bunch of other sayings. Pretty sure they are intended as comedy, so it's not Narm. Cut.
  • The animation of the yellow symbiote just looks like mozzarella cheese come to life. Nitpick. Also... inaccurate? It's more of a mucus yellow.
  • After Venom heals Eddie's broken legs, he flatly states "My legs! They were broken... and now they're not broken..."
  • "HOSPITAL!!!! (extremely long pause) Now!" Zero-Context Example.
  • Eddie and Anne quite casually discussing cannibalism as one of the symbiote's favorite activities. It's something that would probably sincerely shock and disgust the average person and likely require therapy, and yet it's bandied about like it's a pretty normal occurrence. These kinds of entries are tricky to me. They seem valid at first glance, but there's something off about them. I don't think this one counts if the work itself is treating the moment lightly.
  • Any menace from Cletus Kasady is completely undercut by Woody Harrelson's truly ridiculous wig. A common comparison is that it causes him to look like a live-action Sideshow Bob, or a make-up-less Pennywise. Uses complainy word-choice. Otherwise fine.
  • Kasady promising that there will be "carnage" after he gets out is so on-the-nose that it feels like it's straight out of a parody. First off, that's not an example of Anvilicious. Secondly, this verges on a nitpick to me. I'm not sure. It's not really funny, just lame.
  • The final trade of words between Venom and Riot before the final battle is nothing but total Ham-to-Ham Combat - that and the two symbiotes happen to be Perpetual Smilers, which just gives off the feeling that they don't really give that much of a damn about their goals.
    Riot: Venom...Get in the rocket!
    Venom: No! We won't let you destroy this world!
    Riot: Then die!
Nitpicking?
  • Towards the end of the film, it's revealed that Venom used to be something of a loser on his home planet, like Eddie. This is his entire reason for wanting to save the Earth. Moment played as a joke, so it isn't Narm.
  • Despite angrily forcing Eddie to spit out cooked meats because they're no longer living animals, the symbiote develops a taste for tater tots, and it practically demands that Eddie buy some during a conversation in the ending. The director admitted in an interview that the writers just thought it was funny and put it in the script. It unfortunately invites comparisons to a similar tots-focused scene in Napoleon Dynamite as a result. Entry admits it's a joke. So it isn't Narm.
  • Drake having bonded with Riot is treated as a huge shocking twist going into the final battle... except for the fact that the audience was already well aware of it and saw the whole process. It feels very much like a consequence of Executive Meddling to give Riot more screentime. Another tricky example. Seems to fall under "scene doesn't work" instead of "scene is funny."
  • Right after Eddie is separated from the symbiote, a rather obvious ADR overdub replaces the intended "fuck you" with the much less vicious "we're done". Not really funny, just falls flat.
  • Eddie's "DRAKE! STOP!" sounds less like he's in pain and more like a little kid telling his Big Brother Bully to stop giving him a wedgie. Nitpicking. Most people wouldn't even pay this sequence any mind.

Another issue with Narm is the distinction between moments that are unintentionally funny on their own, and moments that are only unintentionally funny after Memetic Mutation or similar feat. Does the latter truly count as Narm? Because you can make the case that everything that has ever been made can fall under that.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:06:31 AM

CanuckMcDuck1 PEPSIMAN from Japan Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#3026: Dec 2nd 2024 at 1:36:17 PM

[up][up]That does not sound like an example, and more someone looking for a way to complain about Arcane. It could be cut for adding nothing to YMMV.

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hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#3027: Dec 5th 2024 at 7:25:09 AM

Here are examples of season 2 of Game of Thrones

  • In Qarth we see the masked mystic woman Quaithe, but unlike the novels, the show never bothers to explain who she is or why she's even there, and she's never mentioned again, making her two scenes feel like Big Lipped Alligator Moments in which Jorah is visited by the Exposition Fairy, since she blatantly tells him that Dany's very important and that he's in love with her. Thanks, Captain Obvious!
  • Talisa's introduction makes it look like Robb was getting turned on by her amputating someone's foot. A lot of reviewers found that the awkward attempts at a Meet Cute took them out of the show. They thankfully would get a little better afterwards.
  • Brienne's goofy face◊ and shrieking when Renly is killed by Melisandre's shadow assassin. Speaking of which, while Gwendoline Christie gives a good performance overall, her bellowing during fight scenes in general can make her hard to take seriously.
  • Like in the books, Theon's longship is called the Sea Bitch.
  • Sansa's strangely monotone, "You won't hurt me." when Sandor is trying to convince her to flee King's Landing with him during the Battle of Blackwater makes her sound like a robot.

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#3028: Dec 5th 2024 at 10:09:01 AM

[up] The fourth is a non-example, as Narm is for moments, and names aren't moments. Not sure about the others since I don't know Game of Thrones.

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MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#3029: Dec 5th 2024 at 10:14:23 AM

[up][up]

  • Doesn't explain what's funny, and mostly exists to complain.
  • Reads as more of a regular, awkward flaw, as written.
  • Maybe fine?
  • What [up] said. Also, is that even meant to be taken 100% seriously?
  • Regular flaw.

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#3030: Dec 5th 2024 at 4:55:32 PM

[up]Do you think this part from third entry at least should be cut since is too general?

Speaking of which, while Gwendoline Christie gives a good performance overall, her bellowing during fight scenes in general can make her hard to take seriously.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#3031: Dec 5th 2024 at 6:36:53 PM

I would cut that. The third one also seems to have a link (presumably to show off the character in question's face), but weblinks are not examples, so the whole hting probabbly needs to be rewritten or cut.

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#3032: Dec 7th 2024 at 3:02:17 PM

Now You See Me 2:

  • Narm: The sequence of the Horsemen slipping the chip between them by sticking it on a playing card to avoid it being found as they're searched. They act so obviously suspicious, and the flips and throws they use to move it around are so blatant (including several throws that are in plain sight but none of the guards happen to be looking their way), that it becomes more difficult to believe it's working the longer the scene goes. This is not counting the fact that a security camera could have been overlooking the entire checkpoint, which could have easily made their plan dead on arrival. Later becomes a case of Fridge Brilliance, as that facility and the people in it are implied to be part of The Eye.
  • Narm Charm: On the other hand, this scene has many fans for its excellent cinematography and the fact that the Horsemen work together so flawlessly, and even if it's obvious that the card is defying physics itself to go from person to person, there's no denying that it looks amazing. Additionally, if you look in the background, you'll see that each character is being searched multiple times, including with metal detectors, and they always pass it to someone not being run over with a metal detector. As extra as some of the passes and tricks may be, they're at least not doing them needlessly. One way or the other, it's undeniably the Signature Scene of the film.

I'm conflicted about the Narm example because while it reads as a nitpick, but also a scene where the characters are on a stealth mission and are instead doing all these elaborate tricks can come off as silly. I know some people who found the whole sequence ridiculous.

The Narm Charm example on the other hand feels the need to defend the logic in the scene, which is just misuse. It can just be cut down to the part about cinematography.

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#3033: Dec 7th 2024 at 5:19:11 PM

Narm Charm has issues, where it's way more narrow than its name implies and it's very often used for justifying edits. The page specifically means "A scene that should be silly, but is so sincere that you take it seriously anyway". Any Narm Charm entry that starts with "On the other hand" is misuse and poor writing practice.

I would cut that Narm Charm and keep the Narm entry.

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MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#3034: Dec 10th 2024 at 5:38:23 PM

These examples on YMMV.Back At The Barnyard:

I feel like the first bullet has come up before, but I don't remember the verdict. As for the second, YMMV can't be played with, but is there something else it should go under? Or should we just cut it entirely?

  • Narm Charm: Modern fans of the series with nostalgia for the franchise fondly remember it for the witty jokes and the fact that it wears it's permanent clown face with straight-laced honesty.

This just seems to be "the series tries and succeeds at being funny", which I assume is misuse.

Thoughts?

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#3035: Dec 10th 2024 at 5:40:19 PM

I like that positive praise for once, but yeah, funny thing is funny is just not a trope, ever.

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generation81 Since: Aug, 2021
#3036: Dec 10th 2024 at 5:46:10 PM

The poster isn't even that different from other cover poses i've seen.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#3037: Dec 10th 2024 at 7:33:10 PM

I'll cut all three entries, then.

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#3038: Dec 12th 2024 at 8:24:55 AM

From Game of Thrones season 3

  • It can be hard to take the Unsullied seriously when you notice that their shields look like nipples.
  • Loras Tyrell talking about jewelry, fashion and his dream wedding, because apparently the saucy bedroom scenes with other men weren't enough to convince us that he's gay.
  • When Jaime's hand gets sliced off at the end of "Walk of Punishment", he screams in terror and pain, and the scene abruptly cuts to the credits... with an upbeat and completely out of place rock song, to the raucous laughter of everyone watching.
  • "Chaos isn't a pit… Chaosh ish a LADDAH".
    • Littlefinger's accent has been wandering all over the place since Season 2, making it really hard to take all his supposed Magnificent Bastard scheming seriously, especially when he's pretending to be Irish Batman. It gets even worse in Season 4, especially on the ship with Sansa: "Oy'm teeking you… to The Veeeeel," and by Season 6 it's so bad that Honest Trailers gave him two credits as "Littlefinger's accent" and "Littlefinger's other accent."
  • Rose Leslie's accent as Ygritte starts to verge on the narmy after a while in this season, and evokes the kind of stereotypically gobby northern bint encountered on a night out in Wigan, as opposed to a hardened warrior woman from beyond the Wall — "I'm Jyon Snuuuuur — raaaaght fut, lyeft fut!".
  • While the scene quickly becomes nightmarish again, when Ramsay hits Theon in the face with his hunting horn, Theon lands on the floor with his mouth gaping open and shut like a fish as he tries to crawl away - it looks really silly.
  • Catelyn's death at the end of "The Rains of Castamere". The croaking groans of grief might work for you in context—Robb and everyone else she cared about had just been gruesomely killed, after all—but the fact that she still manages to slit her hostage's throat during said groans? Then some guy walks in from off screen, slits her throat, and immediately exits stage left.
  • In "Mhysa", a very distraught Ygritte has Jon Snow at arrowpoint. Jon tries to plead his way out and tells her that he needs to go home. He sounds extremely whiny and petulant, especially when earlier in the episode, Joffrey shrieks at his grandfather that he is not tired. One of these performances was intentional. The other? Not so much.
  • Daenerys Crowd Surfing in the final scene of this season. The scene is going great, but then it suddenly turns into a rock concert… to say nothing of other problems.

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#3039: Dec 12th 2024 at 8:58:48 AM

[up]

  • This just sounds like a personal reaction, not a moment.
  • This one just seems...weird? Like how dare he have stereotypically gay interests?
  • Seems fine, though I'd get rid of the "to the raucous laughter of everyone watching" part, or at least rephrase it to something like "which gets rid of the shock entirely."
  • Not a moment, which is backed up by the nattery bullet. The (unnecessary) comparison to Honest Trailers makes it seem like Memetic Mutation at best.
  • "evokes the kind of stereotypically gobby northern bint encountered on a night out in Wigan"

    Wow, I didn't know Rincewind had a troper account. (I kid, but cut; it's another moment and violates Examples Are Not General).
  • Seems fine.
  • I'd say this is more along the lines of a befuddling Anti-Climax, not necessarily something that makes the death scene funny.
  • Seems fine, but I think the Joffrey comparison is crufty and could be trimmed down to "Earlier in the episode, Joffrey shrieks at his grandfather that he is not tired, which is much more in-character."
  • It's a partial-context example, but I don't think it counts anyway since the scene is already meant to be somewhat heartwarming/relaxing (and not dramatic), showing how Daenerys is welcomed with open arms due to the respect she's earned.

Edited by Coachpill on Dec 12th 2024 at 12:04:44 PM

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#3040: Dec 12th 2024 at 12:53:11 PM

I'm not sure about the Jamie getting his hand cut off scene, because I feel it was partly intentional. I know that some people did criticise the scene, but I don't know if you can call it unintentionally funny when I think it was meant to be somewhat funny, or at least a huge Mood Whiplash.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#3041: Dec 14th 2024 at 11:21:58 AM

I noticed that Scarlet Jersey unhid some Zero Context Examples on Narm.Marvel Cinematic Universe here and here, some of which they did not even add additional context to, like the Thor entries. Are they in good enough shape to leave up, or should they be re-hidden?

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#3042: Dec 14th 2024 at 11:48:47 AM

Edit: Ignore. Wrong thread.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 14th 2024 at 1:50:26 PM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#3043: Dec 14th 2024 at 9:06:29 PM

[up][up] Re-hide them. In fact, probably just cut them all from the page to discourage people from unhiding them. I don't think they added enough context to any of them to be worth. Also cut the Love and Thunder one they added since it sounds like Fridge Logic.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Dec 14th 2024 at 11:07:18 AM

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TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
#3044: Dec 15th 2024 at 7:43:06 AM

[up][up][up] It may be a good idea to report that on Ask the Tropers, if you haven't already. Unhiding a ZCE due to not knowing the site's rules is one thing, but that troper went as far as to delete the warnings at the top of the page, which indicates they are probably editing in bad faith.

Edited by TantaMonty on Dec 15th 2024 at 7:44:21 AM

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#3045: Dec 16th 2024 at 8:39:37 AM

Examples from season 4 of Game of Thrones

  • Tyrion telling Shae they can no longer be together and she has to leave King's Landing at once is supposed to be dramatic and sad, but instead it comes off like something from very cheap soap opera.
  • Okay, the reveal of the Night King and his method of creating new White Walkers was indeed pants-shittingly scary, but it was slightly tarnished by the fact that he looks a bit like an albino Darth Maul and that the baby reacts to the most terrifying monster in the entire mythos by grinning and giggling for a few moments.
  • Dany's speech to Jorah about how she intends to rule Westeros is clearly meant to be an awesome moment and sign of her potential character growth, but the speech itself is extremely cheesy and feels rather forced and gratuitous. This is not helped by Clarke's delivery (even her fans generally agree this is not her best moment): "I will do what queens do… I will roo."
  • Not only is Karl's monologue about his backstory a blatant Info Dump with no real purpose, but the profanity is so absurdly gratuitous compared to the rest of the show that it feels like it was written by a teenager trying way too hard to be edgy.
  • Arya trying to sound deep with her "Nothing is just… nothing," line is more cringe-worthy than profound.
  • The shameless Plot Armor that Ramsay Snow is wearing in "The Laws of Gods And Men" as he turns his shirtless back on a heavily-armed squad of the "best killers in the Iron Islands" while they just patiently wait for him to sic the dogs on them.
  • Tyrion's beetle monologue is notorious for this, especially since it goes on for almost five minutes before just fizzling out and is obviously only there for padding.
  • "The Watchers on the Wall" has several.
    • When the giant shoots a man with its giant bow and arrow, the man practically gets launched into space.
    • Ygritte's death scene is somewhat undercut by her last words being her catchphrase due to the amount of Memetic Mutation it's undergone, not to mention the rare use of slow motion as the battle rages on that makes them look stuck in their own narrative bubble. Being soundtracked to Bon Jovi doesn't help either.
    • Olly's confident "I've got your back" nod to Jon after spending most of the battle hugging his knees in abject terror (and occasionally operating the elevator) was too incongruous for some viewers to do anything but laugh at.
  • While Tyrion killing Shae was a sad, sad scene, the moment is slightly ruined by the camera slowly panning to Shae's corpse wearing a big smile while Tyrion sobs his apologies for killing her, not to mention the gravitas being undermined by the visible snot on his upper lip.
  • Qyburn talking about how he will heal the Mountain and beginning the work on him comes across like something out of a Frankenstein movie, and not in a good way. His ominous, "Oh, no..." was particularly over the top.
  • "I love my lover." Yes, very insightful there, Cersei.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#3046: Dec 16th 2024 at 8:57:38 AM

  • Are people finding that funny?
  • Maybe the baby laughing could be on there (I personally thought that made it more disturbing, but if lots of people found it funny, then fair enough), but I thought the Night King's design was generally well-liked?
  • Once again, are people finding that funny?
  • Maybe? Karl is, as far as I know, an Ensemble Dark Horse, but that doesn't preclude that scene being Narm.
  • Cringeworthy does not equal funny.
  • Maybe? That does sound like something people found funny.
  • That scene is very base-breaking, but I don't know many people who found it funny.
  • For the "The Watchers on the Wall" ones:
    • That sounds like it counts. Maybe I could see it being partially intentional in a Black Comedy way, but I think it probably is Narm if people find it funny.
    • "Being soundtracked to Bon Jovi doesn't help either.". I'm not sure what that means. I don't remember Bon Jovi being used in that episode. Unless is means people playing Bon Jovi over it, but then that wouldn't be Narm in the show (unless it retroactively meant people couldn't take the scene seriously, but I don't know how widespread that would be). Other than that, it seems fine. It's a mostly well-liked scene but, like Catelyn at the end of the Red Wedding (also a well-liked scene), I can see enough people finding it Narm.
    • That seems valid?
  • I can maybe see Shae smiling being funny. Not sure about the "visible snot", Tyrion's just been crying after killing his former lover, so I don't think his nose running is surprising.
  • Seems valid.
  • Seems valid.

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#3047: Dec 17th 2024 at 2:41:12 PM

This is nothing but just complaining.

Tales of Phantasia.

  • Narm: The Playstation and PSP ports carry voice acting for the main characters in dialogue sequences, which is cool — but the Playstation version only has major characters voiced. So as soon as the game's fancy intro is over, Cless gets each line of dialogue voiced in-between his teacher and father talking to him with nary a peep, and this weirdness will throw you out of it for the rest of the game. Thankfully, they released a Full Voice Edition on PSP.

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CanuckMcDuck1 PEPSIMAN from Japan Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#3048: Dec 17th 2024 at 2:54:30 PM

[up]That's a weird budget-saving choice, but still a stretch of the example. Characters not having voice actors is not inherently narmy, and the contrast of characters with and without voice actors is common in RPGs like the Persona series, so I don’t see why it’s amusing in this case.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Dec 17th 2024 at 4:54:50 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#3049: Dec 18th 2024 at 7:13:22 AM

The example, like a lot of bad Narm examples, doesn't seem to realize that it's about "unintentional humor".

OP's main issue seems to be that it's immersion-breaking, which might be true, but that's not what Narm is, by itself. Narm can be immersion-breaking, but it's not only that.

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#3050: Dec 18th 2024 at 4:57:07 PM

Found this on YMMV.Transformers Prime Galvatrons Revenge

  • Narm: Much of the dialogue relating to Arcee, (the sole female character aligned with the Autobots) quickly became infamous among the Transformers fandom for how misogynistic it was. Such as Rodimus' attempts to "flirt" with her, but particularly the comment from Onslaught, about how her "curves" were wasted as an Autobot, for how strange and out of character it was.

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