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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21651: Mar 9th 2021 at 10:44:25 PM

[up][up]I guess if you grew up on fucking Jakku, Tatooine doesn't seem so bad.

Edited by M84 on Mar 10th 2021 at 2:44:44 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#21652: Mar 9th 2021 at 11:49:15 PM

On the idea of a duel near the Lars farm, I think it was to function as a Bookends for the Skywalker family arc that began with Anakin since Kylo/Ben is the grandson of the former whereas Rey, the granddaughter of Palpatine who helped turn Anakin to the Dark Side, is the protagonist who's fighting the Skywalker who's the antagonist.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21653: Mar 9th 2021 at 11:52:09 PM

Except the Skywalkers never had lightsaber duels on Tatooine. Ever.

The only lightsaber fights we ever see on Tatooine in canon were Darth Maul vs. Qui-gon and Obi-Wan and...uh, Darth Maul vs. Obi-Wan.

So there was already a Bookends thing with lightsabers and Tatooine - Darth Maul's first and last lightsaber fights are both on Tatooine against Obi-Wan.

Edited by M84 on Mar 10th 2021 at 3:52:58 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#21654: Mar 9th 2021 at 11:55:19 PM

[up] Not in terms of Lightsaber duels. More like how the Skywalker story that started, chronologically in Episode I, began on Tantooine and that the hypothetical duel was where it was to end.

Edited by HallowHawk on Mar 10th 2021 at 3:56:02 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21655: Mar 9th 2021 at 11:58:43 PM

Except even then the Lars' farm wasn't in Episode I.

By your logic the last duel should have been in Mos Espa near Watto's old shop. Because that's where Anakin's story really started.

Edited by M84 on Mar 10th 2021 at 3:59:17 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21656: Mar 10th 2021 at 12:22:32 AM

And again, none of the characters involved have any actual connection to the damn place.

It's the former farm of Luke's uncle and aunt and after they got killed, Luke literally says that there's nothing holding him on Tatooine anymore.

Nobody else had any reason to care.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 10th 2021 at 9:23:24 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#21657: Mar 10th 2021 at 12:25:36 AM

Lets go with Rey being too much of a fangirl and presuming wrongly on her idols.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21658: Mar 10th 2021 at 12:26:00 AM

Heck, by ROTJ the only main character with any real connection to Tatooine was Han since he owed money to Jabba.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#21659: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:16:12 AM

I'd argue Rey burying the lightsabers there should be viewed more from a Doylist than Watsonian perspective. It's a good scene because, well, I think having it end with Rey under a binary sunset is a good way to end the Star Wars movies. It's some nice bookends.

Leviticus 19:34
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21660: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:24:31 AM

It's the third time the movies ended with the binary sunset. It used to be meaningful but now it's gotten old.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#21661: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:25:29 AM

These movies were too meta.

Anymore meta and you'd think they were written by DC Comics.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 10th 2021 at 1:25:51 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21662: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:30:31 AM

[up][up]

Third? I can only recall two movies ending with a binary sunset.

One is Revenge of the Sith, the other is Rise of Skywalker. And only the former makes sense.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#21663: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:57:22 AM

@ M84

Except even then the Lars' farm wasn't in Episode I.

By your logic the last duel should have been in Mos Espa near Watto's old shop. Because that's where Anakin's story really started.

On Tantooine as a whole. From my understanding, having the Lars Farm work as an "arena", for lack of a better term, works if you think like a fighting game.

Though given the nostalgia-bait nature of the Sequel Trilogy, I can imagine it would have just led to harsher criticism of the films as a whole.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21664: Mar 10th 2021 at 1:57:54 AM

[up][up][up] Man, I'd like to somehow see Scott Snyder or Geoff Johns write a Star Wars story.

Bonus points if it has a Fandom metaphor and a metaphor for Rian Johnson.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 10th 2021 at 4:58:09 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21665: Mar 10th 2021 at 2:40:40 AM

Third? I can only recall two movies ending with a binary sunset.

I counted Luke’s death in TLJ. Even though it’s technically not the last scene in the film, it’s still very much part of the ending.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#21666: Mar 10th 2021 at 6:01:19 AM

[1]

Minor correction

Obi-wan doesn't help Qui-gon fight maul on Tatooine... Hell I think he barely leaves the ship in episode 1

for a proper end, The Saga would need to end where it began... on Naboo

Exegol is just a factory world that the Resistance need to deal with while Rey tracks Palpy down to where he has been hiding in plain sight the whole time

on Naboo

This is an outrage against Luminara!
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#21667: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:05:07 PM

@Red

I've sort of lost respect for Geoff after reading on the Ray Fischer situation with Justice League.

Edited by Snoketrope on Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:05:23 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#21668: Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:30:30 PM

[up] Why, what did he do?

Oh God! Natural light!
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#21669: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:03:03 PM

Luke always wanted to get away from and it and the only really positive factor holding him back (his family) got murdered by the Empire.

It's funny to think that if Uncle Owen hadn't kept thinking up excuses to keep Luke from leaving, Luke might have joined the Imperial Academy after all and this story would have taken a very different turn.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#21670: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:10:25 PM

[up] Especially since the Empire (as shown in Rebels) was actively filtering suspected Force-sensitives out during training.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#21671: Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:19:49 PM

I didn't know that. Man, that's even worse. I know Uncle Owen was doing it more out of concern for Luke's safety than anything else, but I didn't think he was literally saving his life.

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#21672: Mar 23rd 2021 at 3:13:06 PM

@Karkat The Dalek Well apparently, Geoff Johns was a major factor for the reduced screentime of Cyborg (aka Ray Fisher's character) and Fisher accused Geoff Johns and Joss Whedon of racism with that decision.

Given that the Synder Cut gave a lot more screentime and focus for Cyborg especially when he's separating the Mother Boxes and is tempted to a Lotus Eating Machine world, there's to be some truth to the matter.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#21673: Mar 23rd 2021 at 7:09:36 PM

Yeah, Finn might have been sidelined even more if Geoff had been in charge.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21674: Mar 23rd 2021 at 7:14:31 PM

Also Fisher said Johns made real creepy comments about Cyborg’s body and sexual performance so that’s on top of his arc getting cut.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#21675: Mar 24th 2021 at 1:20:46 AM

What did Geoff do recently? OFTL.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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