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Sep 12th 2019 at 11:01:55 AM

One of the comics tied in Luke's journey with Rogue One.

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Sep 13th 2019 at 11:27:02 AM

Also, CBR lists a bunch of stuff that hints at Kylo Ren's redemption, as they call it, Bendemption XD

Edited by lalalei2001 on Sep 13th 2019 at 11:27:11 AM

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Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Sep 16th 2019 at 9:45:26 AM

I had a weird dream I saw Star Wars 9 last night. The Theater was having a lot of trouble and occasionally had to pause the movie due to technical difficulties, which was annoying.

The main two plot points I remember was that Rey was trying to learn something similar to Plagueis's resurrection powers (it wasn't quite the same thing, it was a light-side variant that was described as even harder to pull off). The other was that they briefly visited Earth to find some macguffin there.

It was weird.

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Sep 16th 2019 at 9:57:33 AM

[up]Earth? Oh God, they run into Indiana Jones!

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Sep 16th 2019 at 10:00:59 AM

That didn't happen in my dream, but amusingly it clearly was during around that time period that they visited Earth.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
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Sep 17th 2019 at 12:16:06 PM "You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
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Sep 17th 2019 at 11:39:20 PM

Jenny Nicholson talks about the construction of Star Wars Land and the insensitive over-efficiency of Project Stardust.

If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 19th 2019 at 6:09:20 PM

Canon-wise, have we got much information about Empire propaganda they use to cover their ass? I'd love to see how they justify Alderaan. "Oh no, we didn't want to destroy Alderaan. They were a rebel state and they said they would keep fighting until they exhausted their last man. We needed to destroy them to wake them and the Rebels up to this horrible war. It was in the name of peace! Oh, and if you don't believe us? We have a bunch of war crimes they did to captured Imperials, completely legitimate and not doctored at all"

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Sep 19th 2019 at 6:19:40 PM

Oh no, we didn't want to destroy Alderaan. They were a rebel state and they said they would keep fighting until they exhausted their last man. We needed to destroy them to wake them and the Rebels up to this horrible war.

IIRC, Lost Stars has it be more or less exactly that: "the Rebellion turned Alderaan into a Wretched Hive, forcing our hand and making us destroy everything to keep the Empire safe. But instead of stopping them, it only made them turn around and kill millions on the Death Star."

It splits the cast and the Empire itself: people who bought it was necessary tended to do so because they were blindly loyal to the Empire in the first place, and even people who didn't quite buy it but stayed loyal did so because they were sympathetic enough to the Empire to believe that - however awful it was - the Rebels forced them into it (kind of like how people justified the Atomic Bomb).

My favorite bit is how reconciling the event and his own misplaced devotion to the Empire drives the one Alderaanian cadet in the story insane - eventually turning him into an Ax-Crazy nut fanatically loyal to the Empire, where you might expect him to turn Rebel.

It'd be so cool to see Nash Windrider as a First Order pilot or something in the films, but that's never going to happen.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2019 at 6:23:39 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Sep 19th 2019 at 6:42:54 PM

My understanding is that, once the Empire built the Death Star, they essentially figured they could go full-on card-carrying villain. Actually, there is a conversation in A New Hope that can be paraphrased as one officer saying "Wait a minute, how is a government supposed to run on zero percent approval ratings?" to which another one says "We have the Death Star blow up anyone who disobeys us".

To be fair, the fact that the Empire manages to survive the Death Star's destruction afterwards is actually a little bit of a stretch. Though, also to be fair, one could argue they didn't-it just took five years (which isn't long at all in the context of a galactic civilization).

In fact, I could say the Empire's fall basically went something like "The Empire decided to give up all of its PR and Appeal to Force with the Death Star. Then...the Death Star was destroyed...then they failed to get a new one back up, and they were gone".

In other words, the Death Star's destruction was a "mortal wound" and it just took them 5 years to bleed out.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 8:14:11 PM

The Death Star's destruction was the beginning of the end for the Empire, no matter how much Vader and his men try to stop it by hunting down the Rebels. Without a Senate for false sense of democracy, or an invincible weapon to keep the citizens in line, the Empire nearly went into chaos and really pissed off Emperor Palpatine. He was able to keep the Empire stable but with the Death Star's destruction as proof that the Empire can bleed, it'll never be able to crush the Rebellion.

That's why the Empire gambled on a second Death Star despite nearly bankrupting their government budget and, from what I've read, if the Empire was successful in crushing the Rebellion at the Battle of Endor, Palpatine would had the Death Star II go a planet-killing spree by destroying all homeworlds of the Rebel leaders, starting with Mon Mothma's home, Chandrila.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:54:09 PM

Palpatine should've tried to pull a Darkseid where he tries to create some sort of Force power to make everyone his mindslaves. Though I'm pretty sure Palpatine's end goal with the Force was "supplant it with myself and turn all existence into my mindslaves/eternal torture den For the Evulz"

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Sep 21st 2019 at 4:22:25 AM

I figure that would take a lot more work than one might think.

but HOW?
Sep 21st 2019 at 11:05:57 AM

[up][up]He did that in Legends. Palpatine had a Deep Core fortress world called Byss, where he mentally enslaved the entire population of nearly 20 billion people, trapping them in a waking dream while he drained their life energy to empower himself and his Dark Side experiments. Based on his insane rantings during Dark Empire, this could well have been a trial run for what he had planned for the entire galaxy.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 21st 2019 at 2:06:16 PM

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:12:56 PM

So we're not even arguing against the idea that Palpatine is such a hypersadistic monster his ultimate ambition is to turn all creation into his mindslaves/eternal torture play den, ala Darkseid and Dormammu? Then again, this is the character who his own actor called more evil than the Devil, so I shouldn't be surprised

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:19:23 PM

Why would we argue against it? Even in the new canon Palpatine has become a megalomaniac that believes entire swathes of the Empire should be destroyed as a galaxy-wide You Have Failed Me.

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
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Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:13:30 PM

I'm hoping Episode IX has a good space battle again. I watched VIII again recently and found the space scenes to be unsatisfying. I also scratch my head at how Holdo became a Vice Admiral with her level of incompetence. According to Rose, desertions were happening, failed ones I may add. I don't see why she couldn't try to assure them that she had a plan.

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Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:20:24 PM

@RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 I mean, it's definitely something he wouldn't be morally opposed to doing. Sidious is essentially The Antichrist of the Star Wars universe. To quote the Tropes page for Legends novel Darth Plagueis:

Palpatine admires the constellations that dot Coruscant's eastern sky just before the sun rises, i.e. the morning stars. If that's not Revelation-y enough for you, he refers to the Dark Side in his thoughts as the "beast" that will bring about the "end times".

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:50:06 AM

[up][up] There was only one "space battle" at all, really, the rest was just a very slow chase.

And I wouldn't call Holdo incompetent. All the factors that resulted in the plan failing weren't her fault, aside from the fact that she didn't tell anyone what was happening.

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Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:10:34 AM

I will said the best space battle is the one in rouge one, pretty much is resistence and the empire muscle their way, throwing everything they have into battle.

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Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:47:16 AM

[up][up]I'd say there was at least one other thing Holdo did wrong- she didn't toss Poe in solitary for throwing a tantrum on the bridge during a siege.

but HOW?
doineedaname from Eastern US
Sep 23rd 2019 at 12:46:31 PM

[up][up][up] Going off the novelization she was relying entirely on her opponent being incompetent for her plan to have a chance at working. And then there's the totally ignored issue of Snoke and Ren being able to sense no one dying at which point they can instantly find them.

Her attempt at inspiring everyone apparently also failed miserably going off what the subtitles for the scene supposedly say.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 23rd 2019 at 3:48:37 PM

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Sep 23rd 2019 at 12:49:24 PM

And then there's the totally ignored issue of Snoke and Ren being able to sense no one dying.
Why would they sense anyone dying? That's not how the Force works. Obi-Wan was able to sense it when Alderaan exploded because, like, billions died, not a few thousand.

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