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Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 21st 2020 at 4:53:48 PM

Seriously writers, cloning exists.

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TheAirman from Congratulations! Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Feb 21st 2020 at 4:57:56 PM

Not only does it exist, IIRC Hux in TFA specifically pushes for using it.

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VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:06:00 PM

[up] One of the few times Hux was reasonable. Which was during TFA when he still had Starkiller Base, once he lost his overcompensation tool, well....

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Prowler Caw! Caw! Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Caw! Caw!
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:06:40 PM

[up][up] I thought Kylo sarcastically did and Hux was against it, but it's been a while since I saw it.

Edited by Prowler on Feb 21st 2020 at 6:06:59 AM

Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:25:23 PM

Yeah Kylo was the one who had been pushing for it, but Hux said that his men were good enough having been trained from birth.

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VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:38:35 PM

[up] Oof for me, me and my bad memory

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TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:50:50 PM

Ehh, I wouldn't be down for a Palpatine Clone. We already had one of those; his name is Snoke.

As a narrative device, there is functionally no difference between "Literal clone of a popular villain" and "Conveniently identical rip-off villain". If you want the villain to be Palpatine, then just have the villain be Palpatine. No half-measures. If you're not willing to go Actual Palpatine, then any conveniently similar Palps-Lite is just a cop-out.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 21st 2020 at 6:51:48 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 21st 2020 at 5:54:07 PM

I wasn't referring to the palps situation. I was referring to how the writers can explain the bad guys having a bunch of mooks other then "Kidnapped as children"

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 21st 2020 at 3:54:39 AM

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Tuckerscreator from Traveling through the Multiverse Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:02:00 PM

I still say someone should try building a clone army out of species other than humans. Wookiees are stronger. Geonosians can fly. Codru-Ji can carry more or bigger guns.

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VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:02:59 PM

[up] I suppose subtle Fantastic Racism plays a part in that. Also may have to do with cloning sequencing only being perfected for humans in mass production.

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RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:10:03 PM

[up][up][up][up] Try Diet Palpatine instead of Palpatine Lite. New energy soft drink from Compnor. Just Dew it.

Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:11:12 PM

[up][up] Man, more than 50 years and they still can't get it right? Man, they are lazy.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:11:48 PM

The mechanics of Cloning non-humans is a topic that should definitely be discussed someday.

Interestingly, the doctor by the side of Big Bad in TheMandalorian (in charge of handling Baby Yoda) has the logo of the Kamino cloning facility in his uniform, hinting we may see more of this "let's clone non-humans" thing.

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VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:13:07 PM

[up] It may be interesting if either the Child is a clone himself of Yoda or Yaddle, or if he's planned to be cloned. It might tie in with Palpatine's "resurrection".

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RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:13:25 PM

Speaking of cloning, is it canon that cloning Jedi is impossible and just leads to degeneration?

VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:16:06 PM

[up] I dunno

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slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:17:22 PM

Man they should have had Palps gives us one final dual.

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:18:09 PM

It was in the old EU.

Then we had a Battlefront psp game about a clone trooper who was a clone of a jedi. And this after Force unleashed 2 stated you can't clone a Jedi. And Rahm Kota is in both games.

Okay.

VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:18:44 PM

[up][up] Palpy would've won easily then... Rey can deflect lightning, but she can't possibly hope to defeat one of the most skilled lightsaber wielders in the entire galaxy in a one-on-one fight. Not one that singlehandedly killed 3 Jedi Masters in seconds before they even reacted.

Even Ben wouldn't help her much, given that the more experienced Maul (Who is stronger than both) with backup lost easily, with Palpy screwing around the entire fight until the last 15 seconds.

Edited by VengefulBale on Feb 21st 2020 at 8:22:48 AM

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RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:19:51 PM

[up] Bold of you to assume that would stop Disney.

slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:22:48 PM

I assume the "All the Jedi" bit would have allowed her to even the playing field.

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:24:11 PM

Obi-Wan, Anakin and Windu would really be helpful. Maybe then we'd see an actual duel with skill.

VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:24:19 PM

[up][up] Well, true that... Guess the writers realized that without Luke or Leia being physically present and alive both her and Ben would be toast against Palpy. So Rey had to invoke Eleventh Hour Ex Machina to win.

Edited by VengefulBale on Feb 21st 2020 at 8:24:44 AM

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slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:26:36 PM

[up] Oh Hell no, Leia would be completely useless in this situation.

According to Rise she has not used a saber or did anything Jedi-like for several decades & she technically never even completed her training. She is functionally Padawen level, skill-wise prolly even worse than season 1 Kanann.

The only thing she'd provide is an extra Force-battery.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 21st 2020 at 6:27:35 AM

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VengefulBale Eldritch Rose Quartz from Earth(?) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Eldritch Rose Quartz
Feb 21st 2020 at 6:38:54 PM

Well then. Somehow Rey completes her training with a barely-Padawan level Jedi...

Man even though Rebels had a Padawan as the "master", it still bothered to have said Padawan gain the Knight Rank as the series progressed.

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