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Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Oct 23rd 2020 at 12:00:15 PM

[up][up] You're not wrong. It's why I said there's at least room for this to be a legal case if any company decided to bring it to court, and it's not one whose outcome is immediately obvious.

Books consist of words. If you post all those words online, it's piracy, regardless of whether you do it in the form of images, character encoding, or audio.

Comics consist of words and pictures. If you put all of those words and pictures online, again, it's piracy. (It's for this reason that the Transformers wiki doesn't allow uploads of entire pages).

Movies consist of pictures and sound. Putting all those pictures and all that sound online is piracy.

Counterpoint: Put the entire soundtrack of a movie online, it's still piracy. You don't need to put the video content. Put the entire film on mute, it's still piracy.

[up]That depends on the game though. If I just dump all the footage of Dragons Lair, you pretty much have the same experience as playing the game. Or many a FMV game. Or heck, many a walking simulator. The thing is, Copyright law does NOT make distinctions for genres yet. Heck, what about non game example. If I stream myself playing a Choose your Adventure book, reading the paragraphs out loud, is it protected?

There's other concerns too. Does a streamer that doesn't stream their face for example, count as less transformative than one who does?

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 23rd 2020 at 4:39:46 AM

powerpuffbats The Aegis from Alrest Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Aegis
Oct 23rd 2020 at 1:28:55 PM

[up]I admittedly forget that those kinds of games exist, but for most games what Iíve said rings true. Whether itís Mario, Sonic, Devil May Cry, Forza, Smash, Star Fox, Zelda, Kingdom Hearts, Minecraft, Fortnite, Neptunia, Persona, Street Fighter, Halo, etc.

Though Iím also a person who values gameplay more than anything else, so I consider it unlikely to fully experience a game secondhand.

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Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Oct 23rd 2020 at 1:44:09 PM

It's not an invalid view you have, mind you. But it's up in the air if a judge would agree, or think that even matters at all, based on the existing legal framework. And it's a question if it were to go to court if the Cutscene To Gameplay Ratio for a given game matters.

Stadia guy is still a giant tool though.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 23rd 2020 at 4:44:22 AM

VampireBuddha Paddy's Day dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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powerpuffbats The Aegis from Alrest Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Aegis
Oct 23rd 2020 at 6:46:12 PM

[up][up]I, again, don't have much of an understanding about legalities here. This is just something I've figured out based on how many times companies like Nintendo try to squash let's plays or streamers.

But sometimes I guess it's just because that, for whatever reason, some people think that streaming games should require a license to pay for, which I doubt many streamers that aren't the likes of Ninja would even have the funds for.

It's a very complicated manner that I am not going to get too much into here.

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VampireBuddha Paddy's Day dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Paddy's Day dinosaur
Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:22:11 PM

One year later, Stadia is still terrible:

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Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Dec 2nd 2020 at 5:23:13 PM

"Stadia is the gas station hot dog of video games" is a great quote.

Stadia was already DOA, but then Xbox decided to buy Zenimax. If (read: when) they pull Zenimax's games from Stadia then the platform will be completely unsalvageable.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 2nd 2020 at 5:29:04 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
VampireBuddha Paddy's Day dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Paddy's Day dinosaur
Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:25:24 PM

I don't see Microsoft pulling their new games off Stadia. Doing so would be a legal nightmare, since you're taking away something that somebody purchased with money. Plus, they're OK with at least some of their games being available on competing platforms.

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Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:39:41 PM

Microsoft has only been going more multi-platform with their games. The Xbox exists to sell their software, not the other way around. On the other hand, the Stadia is actually directly competing with their services (albeit poorly), and they might be interested in speeding up it's demise

I don't see Microsoft pulling their new games off Stadia. Doing so would be a legal nightmare, since you're taking away something that somebody purchased with money.

...Games have been pulled off of Stadia before

Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:47:53 PM

Microsoft has actually called out Google as their completion. I wouldn't put it past them to screw Stadia over.

I don't see Microsoft pulling their new games off Stadia. Doing so would be a legal nightmare, since you're taking away something that somebody purchased with money.

It's entirely possible that there's something in Stadia's TOS that gives Microsoft some sort of out here. Or they could just bite the bullet, take a loss, and force Google to hand out a bunch of refunds. All the games they'd pull would end up on Gamepass and xCloud anyway.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:49:42 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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TIL Aromantics had a flag too
Dec 2nd 2020 at 10:52:14 PM

"Stadia is the gas station hot dog of video games"

That seems like an Insult to Rocks concerning gas station hot dogs.

Disgusted, but not surprised
VampireBuddha Paddy's Day dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Paddy's Day dinosaur
Dec 3rd 2020 at 12:49:38 PM

Good points. In fairness, my brain is about the size of my arm.

[up]I know, I've gotten acceptable hot dogs at petrol stations. They weren't something I'd go looking for, but they weren't bad.

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Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Dec 3rd 2020 at 1:17:43 PM

I've seen some nice gas station bathrooms but that doesn't negate the stereotype that they're filthy or at least subpar. The same could be said for gas station hot dogs. (Or gas station food in general.)

Honestly something similar could be said about Stadia. Some people might have it function for them fine but it doesn't change the problems inherent to it and that it doesn't work for a lot of people.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 3rd 2020 at 1:17:59 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Feb 1st 2021 at 11:50:51 AM If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Feb 1st 2021 at 2:12:02 PM

[up][up] What are the odds that some of them will take the ideas they built there, get together and start their own game dev companies?

Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Feb 1st 2021 at 2:45:52 PM

Maybe? Depends on whether Google patented anything or if the employees' contracts prevent anything.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Feb 2nd 2021 at 10:15:17 AM

"Company that nails spikes into the coffins of their own products wonders how their product ended up nailed into a coffin."

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
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Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Feb 12th 2021 at 7:39:16 AM

As good a reason as any really.

It's constantly amusing that Google is a company and somehow remains in business despite its best efforts.

Reflextion from 2020 (Ultimate) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Feb 12th 2021 at 8:00:03 AM

You'd be surprised what you can get away with when you pretty much own the entire internet.

You say "cynicism", I hear "pattern recognition".
Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Feb 12th 2021 at 8:53:54 AM

I dont think I'd be surprised, no.

Karxrida Art by @anoderp from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Art by @anoderp
Feb 12th 2021 at 10:57:58 AM

They're a big company in America. Off course they can get away with a lot of bullshit. I'm more surprised that Google is so incompetent that they let this happen to a potentially important business partner.

Edited by Karxrida on Feb 12th 2021 at 11:02:54 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Feb 12th 2021 at 1:17:47 PM

I'm not surprised with that. I'm surprised that 2 days after the news became very public and has been covered by several news outlet, Google still hasn't done anything or responded.

Like at this point it's practically a power move. "Yeah we fucked up. But ya know what, no one is big enough for us to care"

powerpuffbats The Aegis from Alrest Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Aegis
Feb 12th 2021 at 2:28:33 PM

We could spend all day talking about Google's mistakes.

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