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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2226: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:10:47 AM

So, let's do a breakdown:

The post-credit scene from Let There Be Carnage, explicitly shows Eddie being transported into the MCU, teasing that he might MCU Spidey alongside the other villains in No Way Home.

Ultimately, he never even met MCU Peter. In the post credit scene from NWH, is Eddie again, where the bartender played by Cristo Fernandez gives him a Rundown of the history of the MCU. The scene ends with Eddie returning to the SUMC.

And finally, the trailer of The Last Dance, where we see again the bartender from the MCU played by Cristo Fernandez, witnessing the guy who is hunting down Venom in this movie capturing the piece of symbiote that was left. https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/gpkdtx1xoaambak.jpg

So either:

  • The entirety of that scene has been retconned, and now both of those post-credit scenes always took place in the SUMC.
  • The military guy hunting down Venom has access to multiversal traveling.

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2227: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:12:18 AM

[up] I wouldn't put it past Sony to make it the first option, despite the fact that that makes zero sense.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#2228: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:24:30 AM

I don't think that's the same bar. The backgrounds look different on the walls. And even then it could be similar things happening in the multiverse.

However I will concede I wouldn't put it past sony to do something stupid like that...

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#2229: Jun 3rd 2024 at 11:29:31 AM

Perhaps the little but of Venom left at the end of No Way Home also gets transported back to the Sony-verse, and that's why the bar looks different.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2230: Jun 3rd 2024 at 11:34:57 AM

Yeah, I've seen that speculation. That it just took a bit longer and it's now at the bar from the SUMC, and the bartender is the variant from that reality.

Still, it goes into the pile of pointless post-credit scenes that ultimately didn't deliver what they were teasing.

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#2231: Jun 3rd 2024 at 12:07:00 PM

I'd be sad if so. Really wanted a symbiote arc in the mcu.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#2232: Jun 3rd 2024 at 1:13:13 PM

Same.

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#2233: Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:57:07 PM

Could just be that Eddie got transported to his universes version of that bar and spat out some more symbiote, did not notice then left.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#2235: Jun 6th 2024 at 8:34:46 AM

So this is the third movie now with Symbiotes as villains.

I mean, I like them alright, but doesn't Venom have some other Rogue Gallery Members to chose from?

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#2236: Jun 6th 2024 at 8:37:27 AM

Crime Master?

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#2237: Jun 6th 2024 at 10:04:41 AM

The Jury

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#2238: Jun 6th 2024 at 10:13:16 AM

Spider-Man.

>He's not a villain

But Mr. Jameson said he was.

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#2239: Jun 6th 2024 at 10:16:31 AM

[up][up]Their in this film.

It's rumoured Chiwetel Ejiofor will play Orwell Taylor (the leader of the Jury)

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#2240: Jun 6th 2024 at 10:24:13 AM

[up]I suspected as much, after watching the trailer. But they don't need to do The Jury and yet another Symbiote villain storyline.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#2241: Jun 6th 2024 at 10:38:55 AM

Sony is allergic to actually portraying Venom as someone who has done evil deeds.

Ditto their other protagonist Morbius. There are legit cops who don't care that he killed a bunch of people because those victims prolly had it coming. Like, WTF?!

So the Jury being formed because someone's dad wanted revenge because Venom killed his son who was just doing his job as a security guard in a prison, and even Eddie regrets killing, will be altered.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#2242: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:24:31 AM

I mean, it looks like Kraven will be an Anti-Hero too.....

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#2243: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:26:10 AM

[up][up][up]I think the issue is Serial Escalation. Just the jury on its own would have been fine but for the first film but for the finale of a series that's too underwhelming.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#2244: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:26:19 AM

[up][up]At least Venom and Morbius (as far as I know, not really that familiar with Morbius) are anti-heroes in the comics (with Madame Webb being a full hero), so presenting them as largely heroic anti-heroes isn't that strange. Kraven's weird though as, AFAIK, he's always been a full on villain.

Edited by king15 on Jun 6th 2024 at 6:26:40 PM

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#2245: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:33:44 AM

Nope Morbius isn't. He murders innocent people their all the time their.

It's just he has the occasional pet the dog moment and is not nearly as bad as the guys he fights like rose IV who tried to wipe out an entire slum of homeless people or Vic slaughter whose a deranged serial mass murderer.

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#2246: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:33:47 AM

Too bad no image of the dude wrestling a tiger just to prove his might, really.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#2247: Jun 6th 2024 at 11:47:55 AM

I can't speak to the comics but I think I recall that the Morbius from the 90s cartoon was more on the anti-hero/just looking for a cure side? He ended up cockblocking Spidey when he and Black Cat took off with Blade iirc.

And Kraven had a more positive spin when he teamed up with Squirrel Girl in the comics I hear second hand.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jun 6th 2024 at 7:49:06 PM

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#2248: Jun 6th 2024 at 12:26:29 PM

In the nineties Morbius had his own comic series, he's definitely an anti hero.

With Kraven looks like the film will try to make him and his dad a Decomposite Character of the comics Kraven so in a way comics Kraven remains a villain while also turned into an hero. It's a stupid looking thing to do but Sony.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#2249: Jun 6th 2024 at 12:55:13 PM

Taskmaster (the character, not the Greg Davis show) would be a good protagonist for one of these. He's technically a villain, but's usually only in it for the money (which is easy to make likeable and sympathetic without sacrificing too much of the villainy), his design is really cool and his 'powers' are unique and badass. Add on top of that the whole amnesia thing, and include his relationship with his wife, and you automatically have a rounded villain character with cool powers. The only issue is Disney owns the character (I assume going of Black Widow).

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#2250: Jun 6th 2024 at 12:55:42 PM

[[Ignore this, accidently double posted]].

Edited by king15 on Jun 6th 2024 at 8:01:17 AM


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