Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters

I personally liked Morbius fine, is not as fun as venom but I thought it was entertaining enough I personally thought the villain was kinda cool.

And don't let anybody else make you feel bad for that.

Ya Allah, this might be the first actually positive comment about Sony in the history of this bloody thread.

I can understand that, just the idea sounds terrible from the get go, is a spider-man universe... with no spider-man, it's amazing that it didn't fail completely.

Are Spider-Man's villains so weak, flat, and co-dependent that they can't exist in a story on their own, with their own goals and motivations, without getting their shit wrecked by a loser who can't stop making dumb jokes and would make a deal with Satan to save his grandma by trading away his marriage?

WHO'S THE TRUE VILLAIN, HERE!?

Edited by fredhot16 on May 26th 2022 at 4:35:56 AM

unless they're called Venom yes

SHIT IGNORE THE PREVIOUS POST

New one: The Sinister/Secret Six wasn't a Sony-only invention. The Green Goblin and The Lizard got their own comic series. Even goddamn Carnage got his own series!

Edited by fredhot16 on May 26th 2022 at 4:38:21 AM

Well yeah most villains are kinda designed as antagonists.

They aren't really made to be the stars of their own movies.

Like you can make them sure but it doesn't mean they are built for it.

Did my comment really bother you? or are you being sarcastic? I'm not saying that those characters can't work on their own I know they can I'm just saying that it's weird for a character like Venom which origin in almost every version involves spider-man in a major way, and it also feels like it would be unlikely to work commercially when the face of the franchise that most people care about is absent.

Edited by Kiobi20 on May 26th 2022 at 4:38:10 AM

There's a difference between being an antagonist, being a villain, and being a Satellite Character.

Dr. Doom is a villain and has shown to be able to exist in a story, even be a protagonist, without shaking his fist at Mr. Stretchy Asshole.

I'm currently reading a novel on the Dark Avengers, Norman Osborne's Avengers team of villains when he was Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

What, no, you aren't bothering me. I'm just responding to the idea (and might be in dire need of a nap, I've had a bad three night's sleep).

Quick question: how many of those villains...are actually completely wrapped around Spider-Man and who could not possibly exist without him, not even slight working around that?

Even Venom is more dependent on the Symbiote existing rather then Peter Parker being there.

Well, I guess most could still work without spider-man since all that gives them their power could still happen, the one I really can't see happening is Kaine, the villain clone of spider-man that later became an anti-hero, I mean how are you supposed to exist in the universe without the guy you were a clone of?

But despite they being technically existable without him, you can see why that may still feel rong to people since they associate them with him, it would be like having a universe of batman villains but without a batman.

Hey, I liked watching Gotham.

So Doom..... the main bad guy..... more or less the Venom equivalent of the bad guy whose managed to gain enough popularity to boost his status.

What about the Crusader, Dark Raider, Devos the Destroyer, Doctor Sun, Dreadface, Ebon Seeker, etc?

Not every villain is a Venom or Doctor Doom, those sorts are widely outnumbered. Iron Man famously has a mediocre rogues gallery where only a handful of villains have found any sort of major prominence.

Edited by slimcoder on May 26th 2022 at 5:09:16 AM

I get you're kidding but Gotham still had a batman even if it was before he become batman, that was the point it was a prequel series showing the iconic characters before they've developed into the heroes and villains we know, kinda like Smallville was for Superman.

I never watched it but I always got the sense that the reactions to Gotham were always "why are you making a Batman show without Batman".

At some point Smallville was pretty much Superman, but with the insistence of not actually referring Clark as that. It got to the point where he pretty much met most of his iconic villains, Kara becoming Supergirl, and us getting Superboy before he actually put on the suit. Lost track of Gotham, but if felt like that too.

Edited by Cross on May 26th 2022 at 9:14:51 AM

In Batman's case its cause networks want to make a Batman show but WB wants him to be a movie event so they settled on these weird not Batman Batman shows.

So Gotham, Batwoman, season 3 of Titans, and the upcoming Gotham Knights, the latter 3 all having a similar set-up of Batman disappearing leaving a young group of heroes to take his place.

Well, that's dumb, it's like when Dc comics refused to let their most popular from cross over prominently because they thought they could earn more from them with limited appearances, before realizing the obvious that more appearances of the popular characters are more likely to increase sells in anything they appear.

The Bat-embargo isn’t really new.

No, I've been generally positive about the SUMC. I like the concept, at the very least. I think it has promise.

The difference between how I view the MCU vs. the SUMC is that I see the MCU as professional adaptations of superhero stories, and the SUMC as creative writing assignments. "Pick a character at random. Let's say Betty Brant. Now write me a superhero screenplay starring this character. I don't care if that doesn't make sense. You're a writer. Figure out a way."

The Star Wars Expanded Universe used to do this all the time and people loved them for it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 26th 2022 at 7:09:59 AM

Its not limited to Batman either.

Arrow ended setting up John Diggle as the Green Lantern but nothing came of that plot point cause WB put the kibosh on it cause it would he intruded on their own GL plans.

does morbius sparkle

No, but he does shoot a Kamehameha. Does that count?

I wonder how many people will think I'm joking.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 27th 2022 at 9:13:14 AM

The magic of morbius is that everything is a fact about the movie. Truly a film of all time.

Morbin time indeed

When the memes around your movie is better than the actual movie.

I don't know how likely it realistically is, but I really hope this stupid thing doesn't get Bubsy'd (i.e. suits mistaking ironic mockery for legitimate interest).

Edited by Chortleous on May 28th 2022 at 12:30:34 PM