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Sep 29th 2019 at 7:49:09 PM

[up][up][up] The contract doesn’t say supporting characters. It says “related characters.” Which, given that Jessica was considered related enough to Spider-Man to be considered part of the deal in the first place despite being an almost entirely distinct character, is a telling distinction.

I only mention this because when the news broke initially it was definitely reported (and not just in isolated reports) that Julia was included in this as well as Jessica Due to he fact that they were both In the Spider-Woman bracket. It’s possible that this reporting was inaccurate, but I’m not so quick to dismiss it out of hand - at least not without reason.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 29th 2019 at 7:55:16 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Akirakan Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Sep 29th 2019 at 8:26:43 PM

"Related characters", as in supporting characters of her's. You go below and there's another part listing the "Non-exclusive Jessica Drew Characters", listing supporting characters from her first series. This are characters that Marvel/Disney can use if they want to (her parents, Lindsay Mc Cabe, her first boyfriend and various other minor characters) if they decide to include Jess in the MCU. Kingpin also has a similar part.

Julia is definitely not Marvel, and it's exclusive to Sony. If she would be shared then the document would be explicit about it.

Nov 5th 2019 at 3:53:16 AM

So I had an idea for a movie starring the Puma.

For those not familiar with him, Puma (Thomas Fireheart) is a Native American of an unspecified tribe (wikipedia suggests it might be the Kisani). He has the ability to transform into a werecat creature at will. He started out as a Spider-Man enemy bit eventually became an ally. He also dated Black Cat for a while

Basically it would have Puma as a protector of his tribe from outsiders willing to exploit them. Kraven the Hunter would be a mercenary who steals an artifact from Puma's people which pits the two against each other. Basically you have a super powered Native American character versus the Great White Hunter archetype.

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jan 6th 2020 at 6:47:54 PM

Six months before release, Morbius is getting its first trailer next week.

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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jan 8th 2020 at 9:34:53 AM

Bump.

The trailer's been rated PG and had a runtime of 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

We should be seeing this trailer pop up online when Bad Boys for Life gets closer to release.

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Jan 8th 2020 at 11:04:46 AM

Wait...when did this even get announced? I've heard zero buzz.

:smug:
chasemaddigan Kirby's Triple Deluxe Sundae
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Jan 8th 2020 at 11:20:00 AM

The project was first announced in 2017, a few months after Sony revealed they were working on Venom (2018).

Not sure how this will go. Morbius isn't exactly the most well-known character, but Venom made a stupid amount of money at the box-office and a devoted following. Maybe there might be enough goodwill for people to check this one out.

I'd say wait for the trailer to see how people react, but the first Venom teaser was absolute garbage that didn't even show Venom. So I dunno what to expect.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jan 8th 2020 at 12:50:20 PM

I'm leaning towards optimistic.

In addition to the momentum it gains from Venom's success and a nebulous perceived connection to the MCU that Sony wants to cultivate in the low-info audience, Morbius's obscurity may also work to his favor. This relative no-name that audiences may not even recognize as a Spider-Man character might appeal to audiences tired of seeing Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.

Downside, he's a vampire. Apart from the Twilight demographic, vampires aren't really in right now.

Upside, he's a vampire superhero. People complaining about how cool vampire movies like Blade or Underworld have been replaced by Twilight might see Morbius as a breath of fresh air.

Depending on the film's execution, I think Morbius might have enough going for him to cultivate a tidy profit and become a cult classic. However, I don't think the vampire genre has enough broad appeal to become the kind of smash hit that Guardians of the Galaxy or Doctor Strange became.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 8th 2020 at 1:50:31 PM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Jan 8th 2020 at 3:15:25 PM

Erm, who's Morbius?

Suspension of disbelief: I can believe in time travel but it still has to make sense with it's own rules.
Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Jan 8th 2020 at 3:18:01 PM

He is a vampire that fights Spider-Man. I mostly remember him from the Animated Series where he fed on plasma due to censors.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jan 8th 2020 at 3:25:14 PM

Michael Morbius tried to cure himself of a rare blood condition and, in the process, accidentally mutated himself into a "pseudo-vampire". Morbius the Living Vampire is like a vampire, except that he's not technically a vampire, because he didn't get vampire powers by normal vampire methods. He's just a vampire-like person with accidental vampire powers who must exist as a vampire and do vampire things but is not a vampire.

While sometimes trying to find a cure to his cure for his blood condition.

Comics are weird.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 8th 2020 at 4:29:52 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Nightwire Humans inferior. Ultron superior. Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
Jan 8th 2020 at 5:39:26 PM

Comics are weird, because actual honest-to-god vampires exist in the Marvel Universe. And then Morbius is this weird science-vampire.

Bite my shiny Vibranium ass, Avengers.
fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Jan 8th 2020 at 11:02:46 PM

So, he's a science vampire.

Amazing. I'm seeing this movie.

Suspension of disbelief: I can believe in time travel but it still has to make sense with it's own rules.
Nightwire Humans inferior. Ultron superior. Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
Jan 9th 2020 at 3:41:50 AM

I won't. First of all, I've never been interested in Morbius. And Jared Leto is a slimeball, so now I have even less reasons to care about it.

Bite my shiny Vibranium ass, Avengers.
fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Jan 9th 2020 at 3:43:46 AM

I'll pay for the tickets but I won't actually watch it?

Suspension of disbelief: I can believe in time travel but it still has to make sense with it's own rules.
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jan 9th 2020 at 7:06:27 AM

I may or may not check it out, depending on how much I can stomach Leto. I think, as with Venom, that people have been judging the film harshly from the moment the title was announced because they just want Sony's movies to fail on principle. In part because of a misguided idea that the Sony movies failing would lead to Sony selling the Spider-Man rights back to Disney.

To some people, there is literally nothing Sony could actually do to make these movies good. The idea is that if they aren't Spider-Man movies starring Tom Holland being produced by Disney, then they have no right to exist at all. I vehemently disagree with that notion. And it's really hard to hold a healthy discourse about an upcoming film when half the people in that discourse are really just here to reiterate that no power on Heaven or Earth could ever convince them to see even one movie being made under this banner.

But Jared Leto's presence is a valid concern, because Jared Leto is a dumpster fire of a human being.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 9th 2020 at 8:09:36 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
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Jan 9th 2020 at 7:42:44 AM

I mean, I don't think this movie is like, boned from the outset. Venom wasn't, like, the worst thing ever (I can definitely name some capeshit flicks I find worse, even from the MCU). But yeah, I really fucking hate Leto and that alone makes me hesitant.

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Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Jan 9th 2020 at 7:59:12 AM

The problem is Leto can actually act. Case in point Dallas Buyers Club. (Which won him an Oscar) But I find him better when he is a supporting guy. As the main focus or as a selling point of a movie his ego gets in the way. Though as with the Joker, this can backfire as well.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 9th 2020 at 10:05:44 AM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jan 9th 2020 at 8:33:24 AM

Leto can act, which is why I don't think his presence will hurt the film overmuch. It's not the quality of his acting that puts people off; it's who he is as a human being. Which makes "F*ck Jared Leto" an entirely valid reason to give the movie a miss, but also one that will probably be overlooked by a lot of low-info movigoers.

I have nothing against anyone who refuses to see the film on the grounds of Leto being a complete and utter scumbag. I do, however, think the financial impact on the film will be negligible, which is why I'm predicting a modest profit and potential to become a niche classic.

Which doesn't mean it or boycotts in general aren't worth doing, either. Boycotts are entirely personal affairs. The reason to boycott a product isn't because you think -1 sale will doom the product; it's because you cannot in good conscience financially support the product. A negligible financial impact doesn't mean a boycott failed; the boycott only fails if you change your mind and buy the product.

I'm rambling. But the point is, I think Morbius will probably perform adequately at the box office. Not great, but not terrible either. It could probably do better if it didn't star a cultist scumbag, but only marginally because the cultist scumbag is regrettably talented in his profession.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 9th 2020 at 9:36:34 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Jan 9th 2020 at 8:38:49 AM

What has Leto done in real life? You know besides his weird behavior on the Suicide Squad set.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 9th 2020 at 10:59:53 AM

fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Jan 9th 2020 at 8:51:30 AM

Ran a cult and sexual harassment/rape of, I think, minors.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 9th 2020 at 8:52:10 AM

Suspension of disbelief: I can believe in time travel but it still has to make sense with it's own rules.
Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Jan 9th 2020 at 8:56:33 AM

Well in that case I can totally understand hating him as a person and that is a good reason to boycott the movies with him in them.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 9th 2020 at 10:57:14 AM

alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Jan 9th 2020 at 9:14:15 AM

[up][up] The sexual harassment stuff is only rumors, though, and has never been proven.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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My OTP is more obscure than yours
Jan 9th 2020 at 9:18:07 AM

Was he in the same cult that Allison Mack was in?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Jan 9th 2020 at 9:24:06 AM

[up] Nope. It's a Thirty Seconds to Mars cult. And it's not like we know if anything bad is happening, it's just "Wow, this is really cult-ish behavior."

Edited by alliterator on Jan 9th 2020 at 9:24:48 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl

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