Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested
but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here
that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator
to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here
, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
So, I've been thinking: what should we do about the waiting period for the Sequel Gap trope?
Edited by gjjones on Nov 27th 2023 at 12:48:00 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
It's already at No Recent Examples, Please!, so aside its comment what else needs to be done about it?
A little late to the party but I'll
the idea of NREP for Insult Backfire and The Purge.
Don't forget about Frivolous Lawsuit!
I'm proposing no real-life examples for Insult Backfire, The Purge, and Frivolous Lawsuit within the past 50 years for all three.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 30th 2023 at 5:12:25 AM
Kirby is awesome.If 1983 is the cutoff we have to cut everything except the Roman salt patent (hundreds of years ago) and the Frusen Glädjé lawsuit (1980).
EDIT: The Thunderball suit also fits the deadline.
Edited by randomtroper89 on Nov 30th 2023 at 1:54:28 PM
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i'd prefer the cutoff for Frivolous Lawsuit be 10 years (max 20 or 25), especially since a lot of fictional appearances are based on the lawsuit craze that exploded in the mid 2000s
at the very least, covering the mcdonalds hot coffee incident (which happened in '92 and was an inspiration for other fictional mockery thanks to it getting smeared as a 'huh huh the coffee was too hot' by mcdonald's and not receiving third-degree burns) should be okay
also what
said
the others im fine with a 50 year cutoff, though i think a 30 year cutoff is fine
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 1st 2023 at 9:35:09 AM
i may be dead inside but at least i have Mystery :,)Should the coffee incident actually be there? The whole point is that the incident wasn't frivolous at all, so it feels bizarre to bring it up (it's not like you can "subvert" real life or something like that).
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wallit isnt really subverted insomuch as that it inspired a lot of fictional examples/mockery/comparisons deriding it as such when the reality was worse. i can start grabbing a list of all the fictional references based on or referring to it
i forget the exact term (trope or otherwise) for when a fictional work bases a gag or plot device on Common Knowledge or near Urban Myth. it's similar to the "corona beer is going under because of COVID" stuff
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 1st 2023 at 9:50:39 AM
i may be dead inside but at least i have Mystery :,)I know, but... it's tricky. I know it's "not a subversion", that's not really what I was saying. I was saying that since the lawsuit was objectively not frivolous, it seems like misuse to have it in the section. I mean, we could focus on the media spin, but... It just feels off to me.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallIt was being discussed at the NRLEP thread as a way to cut down on ROCEJ-ish entries.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallBut Defiant to the End isn't a YMMV or Trivia trope. It's just a narrative/character trope. Why would we restrict its usage when it's describing stuff that's explicitly happening inside a work of fiction?
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."We're talking about restricting the Real Life examples, like we do with other tropes.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall"I know, but... it's tricky. I know it's "not a subversion", that's not really what I was saying. I was saying that since the lawsuit was objectively not frivolous, it seems like misuse to have it in the section. I mean, we could focus on the media spin, but... It just feels off to me."
understandable
imo it had enough of an effect on pop culture (at least, American/Western pop culture); the reputation of it as such should be noted
i know We Are Not Wikipedia but the case article
does cite its influence on other actually frivolous lawsuits, the debate, and even Seinfeld episodes based on it
Maybe a mention in the description about how a lot of examples are based on that lawsuit, which doesn't actually fit the trope IRL?
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI made a couple of sandboxes for Frivolous Lawsuit
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hmm, imo id prefer it to be a bulletpoint in itself but that is a good compromise if the thread determines it doesnt count (especially since the image refers to it)
as they say: "Chat, what y'all think", should it be in the description or should it warrant a bulletpoint?
i personally prefer ten, especially since it covers the Jack Thompson controversies and the Guinness World Record holder for lawsuits
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Dec 1st 2023 at 12:07:46 PM
i may be dead inside but at least i have Mystery :,)Maybe the coffee lawsuit could be referenced on the Analysis page for Frivolous Lawsuit? Feels like it would fit there more, as it's something that can be analyzed as having influenced examples of the trope, instead of being something central to the trope's definition.
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Should we do something similar to ThePurge.Real Life?
Again, the very, very old examples are definitely ok. But I'd just like to see what other tropers think of the very recent examples.