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Mar 12th 2019 at 3:48:48 PM

[up] Tough Act to Follow should at least wait until the act to follow is out. If it should go under the act in question or the following one is different question than this thread covers.

What about Audience-Alienating Premise? It was decided elsewhere that it should wait until it's proven that audiences were alienated, how long a waiting period would that be? Would it very by the mediums metics (box-office, ratings, sales, ex.).

Mar 12th 2019 at 3:51:35 PM

[up]I seen it be misuse for a strange premise that might be uncomfortable for viewers.

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Mar 12th 2019 at 6:18:55 PM

[up][up] I think there should be a one-month wait period for Audience-Alienating Premise. I think that's a good amount of time to see how well a work sold to determine if the premise alienated a potential audience or not.

As for Tough Act to Follow, we should wait at least until the work is out and see how well critics and fans rated it compared to its predecessor.

Edited by ADrago on Mar 12th 2019 at 9:20:27 AM

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Mar 13th 2019 at 5:38:57 AM

Tough Act to Follow is indeed when a work fails to live up to its predecessor but it's very often used for upcoming works as "This is a sequel of a popular movie, therefore there's lot of pressure and expectation" which is not the definition of the trope at all.

I'd also suggest to add Internet Backdraft to No Recent Examples, Please! because it's also very often used as "Something awful just happened in the last episode that aired five minutes ago" as opposed to concrete evidences of a massive backslash. Maybe one or two weeks.

Edited by Silverblade2 on Mar 13th 2019 at 1:41:23 PM

Mar 13th 2019 at 6:43:38 AM

So far, most of the pages on the index are there because they have caused so many problems that they required a dedicated cleanup thread (or at least an ATT thread) that arrived on a mandatory waiting period as a solution.

Before adding a new page to the index, we should demonstrate that there is a problem and we're not just adding rules for the sake of rules.

Can you guys give some specific examples of bad Tough Act to Follow, Audience-Alienating Premise, and Internet Backdraft entries that could be solved by a mandatory waiting period?

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Mar 13th 2019 at 8:33:58 AM

Uh... I've plenty bad examples of those but I tend to delete them so....

There're also Magnificent Bastard and The Woobie (and subtropes) that also have 2 weeks waiting and their respective cleanup threads.

Edited by Silverblade2 on Mar 14th 2019 at 9:03:45 AM

Mar 13th 2019 at 11:22:42 AM

[up][up] Internet Backdraft is by definition abrupt, inflammatory backlash. The problem isn't jumping the gun, but a lack of objectivity on what isn't an example and no way to tell at a if it's too minor (what is the threshold?) to count.

I [tup] giving it a waiting period, but fixing it I think requires giving Internet Backdraft (which is where complaining is being dumped after other tropes were cleaned up) stricter criteria (I proposed it require a citation covering, not part of, the controversy to prove it's sufficiently widespread, but hope we can come up with something less drastic).

Still, a waiting period might help since only notable Backdraft would still be around to count.

What about It's the Same, Now It Sucks!? I've seen it used but suspect it's the opinion of one troper for an ongoing story as opposed to representative of the fanbase.

Mar 13th 2019 at 11:26:22 AM

[up] That makes a lot of sense. I think mandatory waiting periods are very seldom going to be a cure-all; they should be considered only as part of a larger cleanup effort.

Mar 15th 2019 at 9:52:26 PM

Hows Only the Creator Does It Right? Should it only apply after the works is out and judged?

Crowner for Overshadowed By Controversy is at three days and is 21:0, I don't recall such a landslide vote on crowners ever. Safe to call?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:54:35 AM

Mar 28th 2019 at 8:37:21 AM

I think that the time restrictions on Base-Breaking Character and Broken Base should specify that they start when the controversy occurs, not when the work is released (unless the controversy started before the work's release). Like this:

  • Base-Breaking Character (6 months after the character becomes divisive or the work is released, whichever happens later)
  • Broken Base (6 months after the issue starts to be debated or the work is released, whichever happens later)

Mar 28th 2019 at 8:38:45 AM

[up]Thats a good idea.

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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Mar 28th 2019 at 11:35:59 AM

And in cases where the start of the arguments are hard to track?

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Mar 28th 2019 at 1:45:29 PM

Can't have a rule to cover every eventuality, but better to have an inexact rule than none at all.

Apr 10th 2019 at 4:51:16 PM

I feel The Scrappy should have a six-month waiting period similar to Base-Breaking Character because people use it for knee-jerk reactions the moment a character does something controversial or add examples before the work is even released. Plus The Scrappy already has a dedicated cleanup thread.

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Apr 11th 2019 at 6:24:24 AM

I'd go with a shorter time limit, but it needs to have a limit of some kind.

Apr 11th 2019 at 7:17:42 AM

Should it be until a given story is done to determined if a person is a scrappy?

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Apr 11th 2019 at 7:47:23 AM

I'll give a [tup] to The Scrappy having at least a 6 month waiting period.

Apr 12th 2019 at 4:27:01 PM

[up][up] Yes, we can't tell for sure if we're supposed to hate them otherwise

[tup] Scrappy 6-month waiting period. This looks like the next issue to put to a crowner. Can we do that?

About Base-Breaking Character and Broken Base. What if something happens that adds or fixes said break, does that need another 6-months to add?

I assume Win Back the Crowd needs the work to release and successfully win them back?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Apr 12th 2019 at 4:35:59 AM

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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Apr 12th 2019 at 5:23:28 PM

[tup] Waiting period for The Scrappy.

Can we specify that the waiting periods do not apply to In-Universe examples on the main page?

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Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Apr 18th 2019 at 11:57:52 PM

In NeverLiveItDown.Real Life

  • Meryl Streep has been viewed by some as this for standing up and applauding Roman Polanski and Woody Allen, as well as turning a blind eye to Harvey Weinstein.
  • Benedict Cumberbatch proved completely unable to properly pronounce the word "penguin" in the nature documentary South Pacific, rendering it as "pengwing" or even "pengling." He noted on The Graham Norton Show that it wasn't like he was just on his own in the studio, and has no idea why no one let him know about the issue so he could work on it. His role in Penguins of Madagascar soon afterward didn't help with the jokes at all.

I get the impression that those examples are less than 25 years old. Is it ok to delete?

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Apr 19th 2019 at 8:46:05 AM

[up] Yep, pull. For the record regarding the latter, the documentary premiered in 2009, which is too soon.

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Apr 19th 2019 at 12:24:13 PM

[up] Almost half that page is within 25 years.

Speaking of that trope, NeverLiveItDown.Sports and its subpages are at a ten month waiting period. That feels a bit arbitrary, so should we shorten/lengthen it to six months or a year to make things simpler?

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These are pages where it has been proposed to limit Real Life examples to those before a certain point in time, usually for reasons of the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment or recency bias. Please discuss tropes in the thread before adding them; entries added without discussion are subject to deletion.

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